12:03:26 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:03:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-irc 12:03:33 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:04:08 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, David_Ezell, Mahmood_Afshari, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura 12:04:26 present+ Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:04:30 rrsagent, make log public 12:04:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:04:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:04:51 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#23_April_2025 12:05:12 luca_barbato has joined #wot 12:05:30 present+ Luca_Barbato 12:06:08 q+ 12:06:19 q- 12:07:03 chair: McCool 12:07:40 q+ 12:07:46 q- 12:08:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:08:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:08:21 +1 12:08:24 s/+1// 12:08:29 scribenick: Luca_barbato 12:08:37 scribenick: luca_barbato 12:09:22 topic: Guests, New Members and IEs 12:09:44 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:10:21 mm: we have a guest, Mahmood Afshari as an IE candidate 12:10:33 subtopic: Mahmood Afshari presentation 12:10:41 subtopic: Mahmood's presentation 12:11:55 ma: At Sigfox I was responsible for R&D and device engineering 12:12:08 s/subtopic: Mahmood's presentation// 12:12:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:12:40 ma: But in 2019 for political issue the division closed and moved to Dubai to fund my startup 12:12:42 i/we have a guest/scribenick: kaz/ 12:12:53 i/At Sig/scribenick: luca_barbato/ 12:12:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:13:48 ma: In 2022 I joined Softeq 12:14:15 .. in 2024 I became the Head of Innovation and moved to Munich 12:14:43 .. in 2025 I got promoted to Business Manager for Europe 12:15:05 dape has joined #wot 12:15:36 ma: I have expertise in IoT, Cloud and Digital Twins 12:16:39 ma: In 2015 at Sigfox I was involved with Smart City, Industrial IoT, 12:16:51 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:16:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:16:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:17:08 ... Smart Agricolture using LoRA 12:17:27 ... Healthcare to monitor the location of patients and equipments 12:17:40 s/Afshari pre/Afshari's pre/ 12:17:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:17:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:53 ma: My involvement in WoT would be on the Use Case TF 12:21:53 q+ 12:22:04 ma: My availability would be 5hours/week from June 12:22:21 q- 12:22:41 q+ 12:22:42 q? 12:22:42 q+ 12:22:47 ma: Let me know if I can clarify anything 12:22:51 qq- later 12:23:07 ack e 12:23:17 ege: What is your view on having your company an official member? 12:24:10 ma: I need to learn more and bring it to the company 12:25:10 kaz: Thank you for your presentation 12:25:46 kaz: Your expertise is welcomed, but W3C does not allow invited experts from company 12:26:21 kaz: I'll need to talk with the W3C team and provide you a 6month trial IE status 12:27:21 kaz: First we should discuss as team if we can invite him and then if that's the case ask the management 12:27:53 kaz: Also during the 6month trial the membership team will contact your contact 12:28:25 topic: Minutes 12:28:34 q+ 12:28:40 mm: Anybody has any comments or corrections? 12:29:06 q- 12:29:25 s/from company/from private companies/ 12:30:03 i|Any|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html Apr-9| 12:30:17 topic: Quick Items 12:30:29 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2025-04-23-WoT-UseCaseReq-Process-McCool.pdf 12:30:34 subtopic: Use Case and Requirements 12:31:09 mm: 12:31:26 s|I'll need to talk with the W3C team and provide you a 6month trial IE status|If we as the whole WoT-WG/IG would like to get his help as an IE, I need to talk with the W3C Membership Team, etc., and we might be able to provide a 6-month trial IE status.| 12:31:47 mm: We want to motivate every feature in the spec with an user story 12:32:12 q+ 12:32:20 mm: The User stories can cover multiple use cases 12:32:36 sebastian has joined #wot 12:32:43 s|First we should discuss as team if we can invite him and then if that's the case ask the management|Firstly, we need to clarify if we as the whole WoT-WG/IG would like to invite him, and I can check within the W3C Team if needed.| 12:32:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:32:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:32:55 ack dape 12:33:01 dape: The arrows can be flipped 12:33:35 mm: will be fixed later 12:33:54 mm: We will work through the process with the TD TF 12:33:59 s/does not allow/does not usually allow/ 12:34:15 I' very sorry, I made a mistake with the start time :-( 12:35:24 s/Also during the 6month trial the membership team will contact your contact/Please note that during the 6-month trial period, the Membership Team will contact your company to seek for the possibility of your company's Membership./ 12:35:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:35:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:36:48 mm: 12:38:36 q+ to ask about who writes the user stories 12:39:30 q+ 12:40:01 https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/tf-issue-process.md 12:40:18 mm: I'll give the floor to Ege to explain 12:40:29 dez: Who writes the User Stories 12:40:39 mm: Mainly the TFs 12:41:04 subtopic: Project Management process 12:41:40 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/proposals/project-management 12:42:04 ege: 12:42:17 s/https/-> https/ 12:42:26 s/management/management WoT Project Management Process/ 12:42:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:42:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:42:49 q+ 12:42:54 ack d 12:42:54 dezell, you wanted to ask about who writes the user stories 12:42:58 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80/views/1 12:42:59 ack k 12:43:00 q- later 12:43:01 q+ 12:43:10 q- later 12:43:14 ege: The diagram is implemented in the linked project 12:44:13 s/project/project above/ 12:44:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:44:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:47 q- 12:45:51 q+ 12:46:06 q- later 12:46:11 ege: IN the best case we should have a document like the one produced for the Reusable Connection 12:46:23 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/initial-connection/README.md 12:46:42 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/analysis/analysis-historical-data-work-item.md 12:46:43 q? 12:46:52 q+ dezell 12:46:59 mm: David do you have questions now? 12:47:10 dez: I agree with the process 12:47:53 ack de 12:47:55 dez: My question is on how is going to write the user story, in my experience the technologist isn't the best suited to do that 12:48:12 q++ 12:48:19 qq+ 12:48:26 q- + 12:48:27 ack + 12:48:34 dez: Maybe the community group or have something something like the plugfest but for interested parties 12:48:51 s/something something/something/ 12:48:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:48:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:49:02 q? 12:49:08 ack Mc 12:49:08 mm: That's why we have Use Cases and User Stories 12:49:11 ack Mc 12:49:11 McCool, you wanted to react to dezell 12:49:21 q+ 12:50:03 dez: Your definition maybe is the opposite I had for Use Case and User Stories 12:50:44 qq+ Ege 12:50:50 ege: We have to make sure we always links between the spec features and the real life needs 12:50:52 ack e 12:50:52 Ege, you wanted to react to McCool 12:51:26 ege: Let me show an example from the community group feedbacks 12:51:35 q+ for a quick clarification 12:51:49 qq+ dezell 12:52:13 q? 12:52:23 ak de 12:52:31 ack de 12:52:31 dezell, you wanted to discuss a quick clarification 12:52:41 q- de 12:52:47 q+ dezell 12:53:03 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:53:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:53:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:54:27 seb: I probably missed how the User Stories fit in the diagram 12:54:38 mm: The diagram needs an update 12:55:00 s/diagram/diagram of the "Current Process"/ 12:55:01 ege: It would be part of the Analysis block (3) 12:55:11 i|The dia|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/proposals/project-management#current-process Current Process| 12:55:24 q? 12:55:49 seb: Do we need to invest the effort to prepare a User story for each small feature? 12:56:10 ege: It can be few sentences in a dotted list 12:56:35 mm: We need to have a clear record 12:56:40 ack s 12:56:46 q- 12:59:20 q+ 13:01:33 kaz: @@@ 13:01:45 ack k 13:01:46 mm: We'll have a resolution next week 13:02:20 mm: We have a big PR for Discovery, next meeting we should review it 13:02:42 s/mm: We/topic: Last second items&/ 13:03:38 My point - I mixed the terminology between user stories and use cases, so I think I misled Ege in his answer. My concern is on breadth of input on the >less technical< work product (use cases for us) 13:05:42 s|Last second items&|AOB| 13:06:17 (quickly checked the status of the other topics, e.g., OPC UA liaison and NGSI-LD liaison)/ 13:06:19 [adjourned] 13:06:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:28:06 s/topic: AOB/mm: We/ 13:28:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:28:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:28:43 i|(quickly)|scribenick: kaz| 13:28:51 i|(quickly)|topic: AOB| 13:28:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:28:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:29:21 i|(quickly|topic: AOB| 13:29:31 i|(quickly|scribenick: kaz| 13:29:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:29:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:59:04 denkeni has joined #wot 14:01:22 TallTed has joined #wot 15:01:22 bigbluehat has joined #wot 15:10:44 Zakim has left #wot