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14:47:53 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:48:09 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:48:20 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:48:27 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:48:27 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #228 Syncing proof points in the MM document and the assessment tool
14:48:27 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #193 Appendix Roles need updating (feature request)
14:48:27 <gb> /issues/193 -> #193
14:48:27 <gb> /issues/228 -> #228
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15:05:24 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:05:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:05:26 <Sheri_B-H> present+
15:05:32 <Fazio> Helix Opportunity's AI-powered digital accessibility auditing tool, Ottitor, Beta 3 release is free and open to the public on all chromium based browsers. You can download at Google Chrome Store here: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ottitor/lgdjiennpmfahlhcglbjajbnjelpphil?pli=1
15:05:42 <CharlesL> congrats!
15:06:23 <SusiPallero> felicitaciones!
15:06:32 <CharlesL> Fazio: Check it out let me know what you all think.
15:07:20 <SusiPallero> Congrats Sheri!
15:07:30 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: Contractor with NSCU
15:08:02 <CharlesL> ... NSCU will be using the a11y maturity model.
15:08:12 <Mark_Miller> Happy to have you part of the NFCU team, Sheri!
15:08:26 <CharlesL> s/NSCU/NFCU
15:08:44 <CharlesL> s/NSCU/NFCU
15:09:27 <CharlesL> Janina: will need endorsements during the 2nd round before Last Call.
15:09:53 <CharlesL> ... We will need them in about 2 months.
15:10:36 <CharlesL> Fazio: We have a Masters student's Thesis using the maturity model. her advisor is a W3C member.
15:11:01 <CharlesL> janina: I will be away in a couple of weeks. F2F Adapt (Symbols)
15:11:28 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:11:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issue #228 Syncing proof points in the MM document and the assessment tool -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:11:28 <gb> /issues/228 -> #228
15:12:38 <Sheri_B-H> hard stop at 8:30, sorry, and same for next week.  I have my NFCU calendar blocked from 8-9 after that
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15:16:15 <CharlesL> Jeff: Procurement Tool / Document synchronized.
15:16:33 <CharlesL> ... discussion on proof points that are not in sync.
15:17:41 <CharlesL> Use the document version for standardization of solicitation language including A11y Procurements & contracts, bids and proposals.
15:19:17 <CharlesL> ... published ICT a11y policy (document version is more descriptive)
15:21:19 <CharlesL> ... / procurement policy (need to include a11y in both)
15:22:10 <CharlesL> JennE: We need to make sure a11y is part of the ICT Procurement policy.
15:23:29 <CharlesL> Jeff: proof of a11y evaluations.
15:23:52 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: tool version is a little clearer.
15:25:02 <CharlesL> Fazio: are we collecting the responses.
15:25:54 <CharlesL> Jeff: got the info and have evaluated it.  you are providing the evaluation of the response. Proof of responses have been evaluated.
15:26:27 <CharlesL> ... proof that a11y evaluation has been performed.
15:27:30 <CharlesL> JennE: The onus of proof is usually done by the vendor.
15:27:49 <CharlesL> Jeff: yes they have to provide it but you need to evaluate the proof.
15:28:29 <CharlesL> Jeff: proof that a11y evaluation are performed on solicitation responces.
15:29:05 <CharlesL> Sheri has been kicked out of IRC above *W3C Issue*
15:30:34 <CharlesL> Jeff: burden of proof a11y contract language requirements.
15:31:04 <CharlesL> Fazio: this is a part of the procurement process.  includes verification?
15:31:21 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: included in contracts vendor / purchaser.
15:31:42 <CharlesL> Jeff: perform/supply additional information.
15:32:21 <CharlesL> ... put vendors on notice that the vendor will need to supply additional support if requested.
15:33:45 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: BOP of accessibility claims included in all contract language.
15:34:38 <CharlesL> s/accessibility claims/accessibility compliance
15:35:20 <CharlesL> Fazio: we dont want to be too prescriptive here.
15:36:16 <CharlesL> janina: RFP or in the contract?
15:37:54 <CharlesL> Jeff, maybe solicitation language
15:38:25 <CharlesL> janina: product and service  Request for Offer etc.
15:38:57 <CharlesL> ... we need a defintion of Burden of Proof.
15:39:28 <CharlesL> ... documentation?
15:40:10 <CharlesL> Jeff: ACR - you may want to request additional like bug report.
15:40:20 <CharlesL> Fazio: validation process of a11y claims are in place.
15:40:33 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: a process to validate.
15:42:05 <CharlesL> ... A process to validate submitted accessibility claims for inclusion in solicitation and contract language.
15:44:09 <CharlesL> Fazio: A process to validate submitted accessibility claims is in place.
15:44:46 <CharlesL> Jeff: Proof of vendor testing.
15:45:23 <CharlesL> janina: I did some testing... doesn't tell me much.
15:45:35 <CharlesL> Jeff: we want to know if it has been tested and how.
15:46:14 <CharlesL> ... requirement is that the vendor has done testing.
15:46:28 <CharlesL> janina: document that you have done testing.
15:47:02 <CharlesL> ... leave it at that.
15:47:11 <CharlesL> Jeff: also remove automated / manual.
15:47:50 <SusiPallero> +1
15:48:14 <CharlesL> Fazio: a mom/pop won't know what automated & manual testing is they just want to know a11y testing has been done.
15:48:41 <CharlesL> Jeff: Proof of Vendor accessibility testing
15:51:32 <CharlesL> ... when I copy & pasting I messed up that some of these are Sub Titles
15:55:13 <CharlesL> Charles: We will come back to this Header in the next meeting.
15:56:10 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:22 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/23-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL
15:56:33 <CharlesL> trackbot, end meeting
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15:57:19 <CharlesL> zakim, bye
15:57:19 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Mark_Miller, jkline, janina, CharlesL, SusiPallero, Sheri_B-H, JennE
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18:24:18 <janina> zakim, byew
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18:24:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items