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13:19:34 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:19:46 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
13:19:53 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
13:20:03 <janina> Date: 22 Apr 2025
14:00:21 <janina> present+
14:00:28 <janina> regrets: Matthew
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14:04:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
14:04:41 <Zakim> Present: janina, Russell
14:04:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, Russell, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina1, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, hadleybeeman, gb
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14:07:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Introductions, Logistics
14:07:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Hearing none, moving on to the face to face
14:08:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Face to Face Planning
14:08:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Responses to invitations
14:08:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:08:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/22-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:12:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Matthew's referring to what I have as a use case, but I do not find that label quite covers what I am doing
14:12:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: Bliss symbolics is a language that can also be used or described as a symbol set
14:13:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Unicode is a means by which some of the Bliss symbols, or images, can be translated into characters
14:13:53 <Russell> q+
14:13:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We need to decide what session we want Anne in, and what session we want EA in. They are not the same topics
14:15:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: A primary focus of our work is this task: converting a symbol set into unicode code points
14:15:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Russell
14:15:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: I reiterate, Bliss/Unicode is a proposal only
14:16:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... its implementation differs in significant ways from any other symbol set representation in Unicode
14:16:24 <Annalu> q+
14:16:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Bliss has multiple code points per image (due to the fact that many concepts are composed of multiple glyphs, a 'Bliss spelling')
14:17:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... any other symbol set would be a one to one mapping of glyph to Unicode code point
14:17:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I believe Anne is expecting the Bliss/Unicode mapping
14:18:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Our demonstration will show how this doesn't quite fit, and we have a proposal for how an implementor would do it
14:18:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Annalu
14:19:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: Bliss as it is, is a language where words can be expressed by a sequence of Bliss characters, with each character being a unique glyph
14:19:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... other symbol sets do not typically work this way
14:19:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... most other symbol sets have a single, unitary image for each concept (or 'word')
14:20:02 <Russell> q+
14:20:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we could consider the entire spelled-out Bliss Symbolics 'word' as a single character
14:20:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: There is a significant number of Bliss Symbols that are a single glyph
14:21:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this can be considered a core subset, and will have good overlap with limited defined vocabularies such as Ogden's English
14:21:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: We can consider this a first step
14:22:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: We can articulate that extensions on this basic core concepts will likely run into strings of Bliss Symbolics glyphs
14:22:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Russell
14:25:09 <Annalu> 1992 ISO IR 169 “Codes for the Blissymbols Character Set” was published. This was a lexicallybased encoding.
14:26:04 <Annalu> 2004 The Fundamental Rules were published giving explicit information as to the creation of new Bliss-words, and an explanation of restrictions on the creation of new Bliss-characters with regard to the UCS.
14:26:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:26:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/22-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:27:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Russel reports that there was an early vocabulary of Bliss that did get expressed in Unicode
14:27:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it was abandoned as the community found it rigid
14:27:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: 1992 ISO IR 169 “Codes for the Blissymbols Character Set” was published. This was a lexicallybased encoding.
14:28:15 <Annalu> chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://itscj.ipsj.or.jp/ir/169.pdf
14:33:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: This 1992 ISO IR 169 clearly was helpful in the past, as it informed the Blis Symbolics IDs
14:34:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The Adapt Task Force finds it then reasonable to take this 1992 expression of Bliss in Unicode code points
14:34:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as a good starting gate suggestion of a font
14:34:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... where, if a content provider wishes to place a synmbol of their own choosing on a web page
14:35:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... if they mark it as a code point in this Adapt font
14:35:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... then any other user could reliably display a similar symbol, that is meaningful and personalized to their own needs
14:35:28 <Russell> q+
14:35:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Russell
14:36:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Provided that the end user would have a version of this same font, with the unicode code points, but with their own personolized or localized symbols
14:36:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in the place of each code point
14:40:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Let's return to Anne and EA with Tuesday, and ask them if they would prefer morning or evening
14:41:42 <Annalu> We shouldn't forget http://www.conceptcoding.org/
14:45:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Concept coding was Andy and Matt's work
14:46:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it is reflected in Concept net as well
14:47:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... https://conceptnet.io/
14:47:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... frankly I am impressed with Concept Net, which does discuss its relationship to ConceptCoding
14:50:41 <Annalu> q+
14:52:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I have what we need to clarify the schedules of invitees
14:53:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: I will do a preliminary mapping of the ISO IR 169 characters to the core vocabulary of Ogden's basic English
14:54:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We could add a column to the W3C Symbol registry giving the ISO IR 169 code point
14:54:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Some of the ISO IR 169 may have disappeared as Bliss is a living language
14:57:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
14:57:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Russell, Annalu, Lionel_Wolberger
14:57:35 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/22-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
14:57:43 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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