12:57:55 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 12:57:59 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-irc 12:58:03 meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2 12:58:13 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 12:58:20 chair: Ege, Koster 12:58:41 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_17%2C_2025 12:59:38 rrsagent, make log public 12:59:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:59:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:00:16 present+ David_Ezell 13:00:45 present+ Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster 13:03:32 mjk has joined #wot-td 13:04:16 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:04:30 dape6 has joined #wot-td 13:06:26 EgeKorkan has joined #wot-td 13:06:38 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:06:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:07:25 topic: minutes review 13:07:47 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-9 13:07:52 Mizushima has joined #wot-td 13:09:09 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/10-wot-td-minutes.html Apr-10 13:09:42 ege: any changes or corrections? 13:10:10 ... minutes from April 9th and April 10th asre approved 13:10:13 i/any/scribenick: mjk/ 13:10:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:10:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:11:03 topic: registry 13:11:07 q+ 13:11:28 https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates-registry has been created 13:11:39 ege: did everyone get the notification of teh creation of the registry repository 13:12:08 kaz: we should make an official announcement to the main WG/IG before we start using it 13:12:40 topic: word use "Binding Templates" 13:13:20 ege: the word "template" is confusing 13:13:49 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0009.html 13:14:47 q+ 13:14:54 ack k 13:14:55 q- 13:14:56 ege: are there any opinions? 13:15:48 dape: thinking about the wording now, the word "template" is misleading and we should get rid of the word 13:16:24 ege: "binding specification" has been proposed 13:16:26 i|the word|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143 Binding Issue 143 - "Protocol Binding" vs. "Binding Template"| 13:16:27 q+ 13:16:58 ack d 13:16:59 ack k 13:17:02 kaz: I agree with Daniel. The mechanism is called binding and that would make sense 13:18:13 dezell: we had some confusion about using binding vs. profile, we could use a clearer picture of what is meant by binding 13:18:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:19:09 ege: so we need to decide the exact wording 13:19:41 ... to differentiate between the document form and document instances 13:20:09 q+ 13:20:10 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/bindings/protocols/modbus/index.html Web of Things (WoT) Modbus Binding Template 13:20:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:20:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:22:40 m,jk: there are many documents in the registry, is there one that is the binding document 13:22:57 ege: there is one human readable document we can call the binding 13:23:30 ack mjk 13:25:17 q+ to talk about definition/declaration dualtiy 13:26:32 ege: need a word to describe what is happening in a single form instance 13:27:36 dezell: in normal OOP, there is a duality between object and object class 13:28:15 ... "instance" is self-explanatory 13:28:59 ege: the document is an interface definition and instances are declaration 13:29:59 mjk: binding definition might be useful 13:30:16 s/m,jk:/mjk:/ 13:30:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:30:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:30:25 dezell: binding definition and binding or binding instance 13:31:31 ege: interface vs. instantiation 13:32:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:32:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:35:04 ege: here are the ideas so far (list in the github issue) 13:35:36 ... The choices are Definition, Specification, Vocabulary 13:35:49 ... Document, or nothing 13:35:51 one moment 13:36:32 dezell: do we need to choose 2 words? 13:36:56 ege: we need to first name the repository entries 13:37:12 #1 or #2 13:37:22 ... we need to change the word "templates" in the registry name 13:38:09 dezell: for "bindings" we are referring to the definitions, not the instances 13:39:15 Agreed preference for #1 13:39:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:39:47 q? 13:39:50 +q 13:40:31 toumura: I propose "binding description" 13:41:35 i|#1 or #2| 13:41:39 [[ 13:41:39 Possible altrenatives for "Templaates" for Binding: 13:41:39 1. Definition 13:41:39 2. Specificaiton 13:41:40 3. nothing 13:41:42 4. Vocabulary 13:41:44 5. Document 13:41:46 6. Description 13:41:48 ]] 13:41:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:41:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:42:46 q? 13:42:49 ack d 13:42:49 dezell, you wanted to talk about definition/declaration dualtiy 13:42:50 ack k 13:43:28 ege: hopefully we can resolve this in the main call 13:43:49 topic: Data mapping and manageable affordances 13:44:25 ege: we need to summarize the user stories and generate requirements 13:44:43 ... first we can collect the related issues and user stories 13:44:49 i|hopefully|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143#issuecomment-2812978510 Ege's summary from today's discussion on Issue 143| 13:44:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:44:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:45:11 ... write a review document first, then generate requirements from that document 13:45:25 ... any other opinions? 13:46:11 i|we need to|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/usability-and-design.md#data-schema-mapping TD.Next Usability and Design Work Items| 13:46:17 ... we should have a separate document for each item 13:47:09 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/planning/work-items/new-features.md TD.Next Feature Aiming Work Items 13:47:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:47:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:47:24 ege: (creates initial content for the data mapping item) 13:47:53 q+ 13:50:10 kaz: the link to the analysis document is broken 13:51:27 ... We shoujld think about existing solutions for each item 13:51:41 s/shoujld/should 13:52:07 s/We should/In addition, we should/ 13:52:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:52:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:52:47 kaz: ege: any more suggestions? 13:52:53 s/each item/each item like you mentioned ECHONET Lite Web API for historical data/ 13:52:59 s/kaz: ege:/ege:/ 13:53:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:53:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:53:38 q+ 13:54:09 ege: do the same for the manageable affordances work item 13:54:56 ack k 13:55:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:55:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:55:47 kaz: We need to be able to describe a group of things 13:56:07 ege: (captured) 13:56:24 q+ 13:56:47 s/things/things, because we got another request about that from ECHONET. think it would be useful for NGSI-LD collaboration as well./ 13:56:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:56:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:58:45 ege: everyone p/ease contribute input for the data mapping analysis document 13:59:01 s|p/ease|please| 13:59:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:59:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:59:32 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2094 13:59:32 dezell: we should put links to the issues in the minutes 13:59:38 https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143 13:59:56 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2094|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2094 TD Issue 2094 - Collecting Analysis on Data Mapping| 14:00:05 ege: any other business for today? 14:00:24 ... adjourned, happy easter 14:01:27 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143 Binding Issue 143 - "Protocol Binding" vs. "Binding Template"| 14:01:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:01:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 14:02:47 @kaz have a look at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2095 :) 16:23:52 Zakim has left #wot-td