12:02:55 RRSAgent has joined #pmwg 12:03:00 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/04/17-pmwg-irc 12:03:00 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:03:01 Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group 12:03:12 ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Details 2025-04-17: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2025Apr/0004.html 12:03:13 Chair: wendy 12:03:13 Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group Telco 12:03:13 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2025Apr/0004.html 12:03:14 regrets+ shinya 12:49:00 regrets+ dhall 12:52:50 gautierchomel has joined #pmwg 12:58:50 shiestyle has joined #pmwg 12:59:01 rdeltour has joined #pmwg 12:59:05 present_ 12:59:09 present+ 12:59:11 toshiakikoike has joined #pmwg 12:59:13 s/present_// 12:59:17 MasakazuKitahara has joined #pmwg 12:59:20 present+ 12:59:23 present+ gautierchomel 12:59:28 present+ george 12:59:30 present+ 12:59:31 present+ 12:59:33 present+ avneesh 12:59:35 AvneeshSingh has joined #pmwg 12:59:39 duga has joined #pmwg 12:59:58 present+ 12:59:58 present+ shinya 13:00:02 CharlesL has joined #pmwg 13:00:06 s/regrets+ shinya// 13:00:13 present+ 13:00:13 present+ CharlesL 13:00:48 mgarrish has joined #pmwg 13:00:52 present+ 13:01:02 present+ wendy 13:01:09 wendyreid has joined #pmwg 13:01:36 present+ 13:02:37 present+ 13:03:00 scribe+ 13:03:09 present+ susan 13:04:11 George has joined #pmwg 13:04:39 present+ Seth_Delackner 13:05:04 George has joined #pmwg 13:05:41 Topic: PR Cleanup 13:05:44 SueNeu has joined #PMWG 13:05:50 present+ 13:05:56 https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2527 13:06:10 Subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2527 13:07:09 present+ laurent 13:07:17 mgarrish: Changes back where a11y 1.1 from 1.0 would be compatible. 1.0 required an accessibilitySummary but 1.1 it is only a SHOULD not a MUST. technically not backward compatible but we need to do an errata to make that change. 13:07:34 ... PR must close since its on 3.3 and must be revised to 3.4 13:07:35 q+ 13:07:57 DaleR has joined #pmwg 13:07:59 q+ 13:08:02 q+ 13:08:05 ... could be a 1.2 or a 1.1.1. stuck in the holding pattern until we can make the IDPF change. 13:08:13 present+ Dale 13:08:32 George has joined #pmwg 13:08:33 ack shiestyle 13:08:38 ... it says its backward compatible but it clearly isn't. Could got to ISO but that only changes part of the issue. 13:09:14 shiestyle: two years have passed since it is raised. I think we can close this we should think with 3.4 how to handle it. 13:09:14 ack ivan 13:10:04 ivan: not sure how the old IDPF docs can be changed? Matt maybe we can send a request to vivia? until now we were discussing general things but if send a specific request we can take it from there. 13:10:12 LaurentLM has joined #pmwg 13:10:23 q+ 13:10:23 mgarrish: we are only changing the errata document so its a small change. 13:10:51 ack AvneeshSingh 13:10:53 mgarrish: I agree a small change. I will send him directly an update errata and cc Ivan and Ralph 13:11:11 AvneeshSingh: Ralph said we are the owners but we don't know how to update it. 13:12:00 ... this was submitted as a document to the W3C member submission. we should also consider ISO and that may not be straight fwd. they may be following the ISO 1.0. 13:12:34 mgarrish: This came from if we issue a new ISO version that is not compatible that is where this came from. 13:13:14 mgarrish: I thought we just need to change the errata and will be a very small change. 13:13:31 ack SueNeu 13:13:47 AvneeshSingh: we are loosening the restriction from a MUST to a SHOULD for the inclusion of the accessiblitySummary metadata. 13:14:07 SueNeu: Are we only doing this to support folks making the old version? 13:14:35 mgarrish: these standards also exist in these other standards it makes it compatible with an errata so it is backward compatible. 13:15:12 s/making the/using the 13:16:22 AvneeshSingh: We had in the Publishing Steering Committee, we are the owners but don't know the passwords tochange it. 13:16:57 Subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2706 13:18:02 q+ 13:18:07 mgarrish: this is a massive headache. we had to add a version identifier to create the history for epub 3.3 / 3.2 would rather use a date range of closed issues, instead of tagging everything. this is a lot of busy work behind the scenes. 13:18:20 ack ivan 13:18:22 +1 13:19:13 ivan: not in opposition, the final recommendation we refer to github as a changelog and we may get angry remarks from folks if github goes away for some reason. 13:19:38 mgarrish: we won't get the changelog. this is for non-substantive changes. 13:19:57 ivan: Ok, merge the damn thing :)!!! 13:20:04 Subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2707 13:20:22 wendyreid: make the editor happier, always a good thing! 13:21:48 mgarrish: this is last modified data, we held off on changing. it has specific formatting, and we added how it had to be in UTC, formatting etc. just turning this into a note, it will be in UTC time but this is already in the formatting of the string. it doesn't change anything it gets rid of 2 MUST which isn't needed since its already in the string format. 13:22:27 wendyreid: OK we will merge it. 13:22:38 Subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2708/files 13:22:55 ... clarification of styling documents. 13:23:25 s|2708/files|2708| 13:24:59 mgarrish: has a Reading System requirement but cleaning it up but we had some authoring recommendation but didn't notice that the the Reading System in spine requirements. When you are using it in the spine its up to the author to style it. when a RS shows the TOC in their own UI they need to hide the line numbers. 13:25:29 q+ 13:25:40 ... we never did put that as a requirement in the RS's when using the nav documents to ignore that part of styling. 13:25:47 q+ 13:25:55 ack SueNeu 13:25:57 ... this is just reshuffling of the requirements documents. 13:27:02 ack ivan 13:27:16 SueNeu: both to the author and the RS that this is list style none, outside the spine they require that they need to supress the style. it wasn't stated clearly, when authoring in the nav and put it in the then you as a content document author must suppress the numbering style. 13:27:28 ivan: I have updated test suite to handle 3.4 13:28:33 ... more important, testing period was long an tedious, this should be a lot better since we have backward compatible. When we add any normative change to document that will stay around we create the test right away. we don't want to wait to add all the tests at the end. 13:28:48 ... makes everyones life easier. 13:29:01 mgarrish: similar with EPUBCheck 13:29:12 ivan: Merge it! 13:29:19 +1 to what Matt just said :) 13:29:55 wendyreid: in reading it I am currious about some creators will use that to include page list and landmarks. 13:30:33 mgarrish: ignored in both cases, or ignore