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14:01:18 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
14:01:44 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Ege_Korkan
14:01:44 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
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14:05:53 <cris> topic: Agenda
14:05:56 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_9-10%2C_2025
14:06:05 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#April_9-10%2C_2025 Agenda for today
14:06:15 <cris> s/topic: Agenda/topic: minutes/
14:06:27 <cris> ege: you should have seen the minutes
14:06:35 <cris> ... is there anything that needs to be changed?
14:06:50 <cris> ... minutes approved
14:06:55 <cris> topic: Agenda
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14:07:13 <cris> ege: is there any updated on PR 2081 ?
14:07:19 <cris> jan: nothing yet
14:07:43 <cris> ege: next one is Binding registry, there are three PRs active
14:08:02 <cris> ege: we should choose the next Work Item, we need more input
14:08:19 <cris> ... next we have to work on the initial connection expansion algorith
14:08:43 <cris> seb: I joined to let know about the review phase of the OPC UA binding
14:08:59 <cris> ... the document is not that long, you should review a single chapter
14:09:16 <cris> ... I'm looking forward to hear you feedback
14:09:28 <kaz> q+
14:09:37 <cris> s/chapter/chapter 6/
14:10:06 <cris> ege: we can do the discussion today
14:10:10 <cris> ack k
14:10:15 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:10:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:10:32 <cris> ege: is it ok to discuss OPC UA binding today?
14:10:43 <cris> ege: added
14:10:54 <cris> topic: OPC UA Binding
14:10:55 <EgeKorka_> whttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0004.html
14:10:57 <EgeKorka_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0004.html
14:11:48 <cris> seb: it should only visible for working group memebers
14:11:49 <kaz> s|whttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0004.html||
14:11:59 <cris> ... please don't share it outside this group
14:12:10 <cris> ... it is fine to get feedback from github issues
14:12:11 <kaz> s|https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0004.html|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Apr/0004.html Sebastian's message about the OPC UA Binding Document|
14:12:33 <cris> ege: we are not going to follow the "official" review process of binding
14:12:39 <EgeKorka_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/blob/main/registry-requirements.md
14:12:39 <cris> ... we can just do basic tests
14:13:09 <cris> ... for the future we should follow the process described in the link above.
14:13:13 <EgeKorka_> q?
14:13:49 <cris> ege: The document as a initial introduction section
14:14:02 <cris> seb: it is something required by the OPC UA foundation
14:14:17 <cris> ... just a basic explaination of the context
14:14:31 <cris> ... if you go to chapter 6 you will find TD relevant information
14:14:46 <cris> ... 4 to 5 page maximum
14:15:02 <cris> ... previous part might be removed
14:15:06 <kaz> q+
14:15:23 <cris> s/previous part/previous parts/
14:16:19 <cris> ege: the goal of the document is to describe an OPC-UA server
14:16:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:16:44 <cris> ... hrefs targets will be "nodes" a concept of OPC UA data model
14:17:14 <cris> kaz: technically sebastian should be in the opc-ua liason mailing list
14:17:31 <cris> ... second point we can use this first contribution as a blueprint for future bindings
14:17:44 <cris> ... and we can think about the procedure
14:18:24 <cris> q+
14:18:27 <kaz> q-
14:19:08 <cris> cris: where should be the feedback collected?
14:19:20 <cris> ege: wot binding templates repository issues
14:19:26 <cris> ... with label opc-ua
14:19:35 <kaz> s/technically sebastian should be in the opc-ua liason mailing list/technically, Sebastian should forward this document to the W3C Liaison Team mailing list as well given there is an official liaison between OPC and W3C./
14:20:37 <kaz> s/use this first contribution as a blueprint for future bindings/use this document as an example application for our expected WoT Binding Registry./
14:20:38 <cris> seb: the binding is pretty simple, mainly is all about the URL
14:21:05 <kaz> s/about the procedure/about how to improve our proposed WoT Binding Registry procedure based on that discussion./
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14:21:17 <kaz> ack c
14:21:24 <cris> ... and some additional optional keywords that might be used for further explain how to connect and interact with the server
14:21:41 <cris> ege: note that the URL main contain enconded characters
14:22:03 <cris> ... the document contain information about security defintions
14:22:10 <cris> ... we should include this information in our process
14:23:02 <cris> ege: the default prefix is uav
14:23:14 <cris> seb: as you know it is just an example prefix it can be changed
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14:25:31 <cris> seb: format is not perfect yet
14:25:38 <cris> ege: then a the bottom there are examples
14:26:09 <cris> ... I'm interested in the default mapping between op keywords and opc-ua configurations
14:26:46 <cris> seb: there is some information in the access level paragraph
14:27:03 <cris> ... but there is not really a default provided
14:27:16 <cris> ege: is there an equivalent of the HTTP GET method?
14:27:26 <cris> seb: good question, I don't really know
14:27:29 <EgeKorka_> q?
14:27:37 <cris> ... they should have read and write command
14:27:46 <cris> ... you can use the issues to raise the question
14:27:58 <sebastian> q?
14:28:04 <cris> ege: there should not be so much flexibility
14:28:09 <cris> ... but it should be good to have it
14:29:28 <cris> ... checking the current todo list for the new process, we are aligned
14:29:38 <cris> ... but we are missing this mapping information
14:31:48 <janro> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:31:55 <cris> ... probably we need also a JSON schema to validate the form parts of opc-ua TDs
14:32:04 <cris> ... anything else should be fine
14:32:11 <cris> ... there are small things to improve
14:32:18 <cris> ... but anybody here can help
14:32:35 <EgeKorka_> q?
14:33:17 <cris> ege: you can experiment using off the shelf libraries
14:33:24 <cris> ... node-wot support it too
14:34:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:34:23 <cris> topic: Binding Registry
14:34:26 <EgeKorka_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/423
14:34:29 <cris> subtopic: PR 423
14:34:52 <cris> ege: we agreed about the version of a binding should look like
14:34:56 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/423||
14:34:59 <cris> ... main thing we agreed is the uniqueness
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14:35:13 <kaz> i|we agreed|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/423 Binding PR 423 - Registry versioning requirements|
14:35:19 <sebastian> ok, I have to leave for another meeting. Thanks and bye
14:36:31 <cris> ege: the document must contain a changelog
14:36:41 <cris> ... and all the previous versions listed as links
14:36:47 <EgeKorka_> q?
14:36:51 <cris> q+
14:40:10 <cris> cris: do we explain that version should define a concrete ordering scheme?
14:40:24 <cris> ... or is it implied by previous version links?
14:40:37 <cris> ege: do we version summary document too?
14:40:42 <cris> cris: yeah
14:40:44 <kaz> ack c
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14:41:58 <cris> cris: also they should explain ordering only if it is not already clear
14:42:01 <cris> ege: yes
14:42:23 <EgeKorka_> q?
14:43:16 <cris> subtopic: PR 424
14:43:18 <EgeKorka_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/424
14:43:33 <cris> ege: we agreed before quite a while ago.
14:43:45 <cris> ... we only require json schema
14:43:50 <kaz> s|https|-> https|
14:44:00 <cris> ... and really advice to place a json-ld context
14:44:06 <kaz> s/424/424 Binding PR 424 - Machine readable documents requirements/
14:44:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:46:43 <EgeKorka_> q?
14:46:47 <cris> ... straightforward PR , any remarks?
14:47:58 <cris> subtopic: Future of registry requirements document
14:48:08 <cris> ege: it is in a very good state
14:48:16 <cris> ... we can turn it into an editor draft
14:48:19 <EgeKorka_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/421
14:48:29 <cris> ... we should get opionions about issue above
14:48:56 <cris> ... current TD editor draft contains everything about the binding mechanism
14:49:05 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/421||
14:49:06 <cris> ... the binding is going to be just a registry doucment
14:49:18 <cris> s/doucment/document/
14:49:24 <kaz> i|it is in a very|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/421 Binding Issue 421 - Where should the registry live?|
14:49:47 <cris> ... currently we have two options
14:50:19 <cris> ... use current wot-binding-templates, delete everything and redirect back to TD
14:50:39 <cris> ... create a new document, keep the old one but create a new red banner
14:51:40 <cris> ... any proposals? opionions?
14:51:43 <cris> q+
14:53:07 <kaz> q+
14:53:42 <cris> cris: ok for proposal 2
14:54:19 <cris> kaz: wot-binding-templates repository was focused on editing the group note
14:54:58 <cris> ... from my view point it is better to have a different repository to help people understand the differences with the new approach
14:55:03 <luca_barbato> q+
14:55:05 <kaz> ack c
14:55:06 <kaz> ack k
14:55:19 <cris> luca: ok for proposal 2
14:56:01 <cris> ... I'm also ok to use the old repo to store current set of bindings (http, coap, etc.)
14:57:04 <janro> +1
14:57:08 <cris> mk: ok for 2
14:57:36 <cris> toumura: ok for 2
14:57:46 <cris> mizushima: 2 works
14:58:48 <kaz> q+
14:58:54 <EgeKorka_> ack l
14:59:14 <kaz> ack k
15:00:02 <cris> ege: ok then we have 100% consensus
15:00:05 <EgeKorka_> proposal: Create a new repository called wot-binding-registry to manage the new registry and use the old repository for managing the individual bindings
15:00:14 <cris> +1
15:01:22 <EgeKorka_> proposal: Create a new repository called wot-binding-templates-registry to manage the new registry and use the old repository for managing the individual bindings
15:01:39 <EgeKorka_> q?
15:01:43 <cris> ok good for me now
15:01:47 <EgeKorka_> resolution: Create a new repository called wot-binding-templates-registry to manage the new registry and use the old repository for managing the individual bindings
15:02:50 <cris> [adjourned]
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