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12:03:50 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:04:22 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, David_Ezell, Kunihiko_Toumura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:04:26 <kaz> chair: Koster
12:05:17 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#9_April_2025
12:07:28 <kaz> present+ Josh_Thomas, Ege_Korkan
12:07:36 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:07:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:08:45 <jthomas> mk: have and invited expert today, but we do not see him yet.
12:08:51 <jthomas> Topic: Minutes
12:09:05 <kaz> i|have|scribenick: jthomas|
12:09:28 <kaz> i|have|topic: Guests, New Members and IEs|
12:09:38 <kaz> s/and/an/
12:09:45 <kaz> s/today/candidate today/
12:09:59 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/04/02-wot-minutes.html Apr-2
12:10:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:11:28 <kaz> q?
12:11:42 <jthomas> mk: Any objections to approve minutes
12:11:46 <jthomas> ... Minutes approved from April 2nd
12:11:51 <jthomas> topic: Quick Items
12:12:15 <jthomas> mk: Any new quick items, or notices?
12:12:27 <jthomas> ... No new additions
12:12:35 <jthomas> Topic: Meetups
12:12:48 <jthomas> mk: No new ones coming up
12:12:57 <jthomas> eg: last one comments was added to github
12:13:12 <kaz> i/No New/subtopic: WoT CG/
12:13:20 <kaz> subtopic: WoT JP CG
12:13:35 <kaz> q+
12:13:39 <jthomas> mk: With the Japan group, we are wondering if we need to continue it if there is no action from that group
12:14:28 <kaz> q-
12:14:34 <jthomas> kaz: the group has the next call on the 28th and is getting comments from the group. We should hear new info from them. Progress is being made.
12:14:35 <kaz> subtopic: Smart Cities IG
12:14:48 <jthomas> mk: Any updates on CLud Edge?
12:15:00 <kaz> i/Any/Cloud Edge CG/
12:15:07 <jthomas> mm: No progress as of yet, need some additional stakeholders.
12:15:37 <kaz> topic: Liaisons
12:15:46 <kaz> subtopic: Conexxus
12:16:10 <jthomas> de: Woking on a short term plan for the web socket binding
12:16:19 <kaz> subotpic: OPC UA
12:17:30 <jthomas> sk: An email was sent this morning with the status, we have started the review phase and would like to expand review to the main WOT group. I have attached the latest draft for review.
12:18:03 <jthomas> ... Please comment on it and share the feedback based on the guide in the email.
12:18:22 <kaz> s/we have/we (as the OPC UA Binding WG) have/
12:18:31 <kaz> s/WOT/WoT/
12:18:41 <jthomas> ... THe wiki is updated as well with this info. Please do not share this document publicly.
12:19:01 <kaz> q+
12:19:13 <kaz> s/THe/The/
12:19:25 <dezell> s/web socket/web thing - web socket/
12:19:50 <kaz> q?
12:20:10 <jthomas> kaz: The TD Task force need to discuss this?
12:20:19 <kaz> ack k
12:20:23 <jthomas> sk: Please, that would be best if they can take a look
12:21:49 <kaz> q+
12:22:00 <jthomas> mk: ETSI report? Next meeting is April 14th. Its open to everyone in this group so if you have an interest please join. They have Webinars on Wednesday
12:22:06 <kaz> q-
12:22:49 <jthomas> mm: More involvement would be great and if you are interested in Smart Cities this is a good group
12:23:10 <jthomas> mk: Any other liaisons notices?
12:23:17 <jthomas> Topic: Schedule
12:23:23 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations
12:24:06 <jthomas> mk: Any other holidays not documented?
12:24:18 <jthomas> Topic: Cancelations
12:24:39 <jthomas> mk: Next Wednesday meetings will be canceled. May 5th-9th will be canceled
12:24:55 <jthomas> ... Any other Cancelations?
12:25:37 <jthomas> Topic: Publication Milestones
12:25:51 <jthomas> mk: Is there anything coming up?
12:26:14 <kaz> i|Is there|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md Publication schedule|
12:26:17 <jthomas> sk: If you click the schedule it has the current data, but it is in need of updates. We are behind.
12:26:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:49 <kaz> q+
12:26:59 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/ Publication milestone calculator
12:27:10 <jthomas> mm: THese were padded some, but its the CR transition that matters on July 3rd
12:27:23 <jthomas> mk: We need a working draft to push to CR
12:27:37 <jthomas> mm: we want to try to do that two weeks before the CR
12:28:14 <mjk> q?
12:28:29 <jthomas> kaz: we should talk about this during the chairs call.
12:28:41 <jthomas> Topic: Policies
12:29:03 <kaz> q-
12:29:11 <McCool6> q+
12:29:23 <jthomas> mk: Moderator policy is the only one left to review. There is a branch for this to be reviewed once I turn it into a PR
12:29:42 <kaz> q+
12:30:02 <jthomas> mm: This is mostly about responsibilities, there is a process to follow in selection. We need to link this
12:30:20 <jthomas> kaz: This process is just that we can create task forces.
12:30:37 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#ReqsAllGroups W3C Process - 3.4.1. Requirements for All Chartered Groups
12:30:37 <jthomas> mm: so it seems we need to extend this document to have a process for selection.
12:30:45 <kaz> [[
12:30:46 <kaz> A Chair may form task forces (composed of group participants) to carry out assignments for the group. The scope of these assignments must not exceed the scope of the group’s charter. A group should document the process it uses to create task forces (e.g., each task force might have an informal "charter"). Task forces do not publish technical reports; the Working Group may choose to publish their results as part of a technical report.
12:30:47 <kaz> ]]
12:30:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:31:09 <jthomas> ... It would help to have co-moderators defined as well.
12:31:10 <kaz> q-
12:31:42 <kaz> i|Moderator policy is the|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1208 Issue 1208 - [Policy Proposal] Managing moderator policy|
12:31:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:31:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:32:03 <jthomas> ... The process is to have a resolution and approved which is fine. We just need to define more if they need to have presentations etc. Just more clarification is needed.
12:32:53 <jthomas> mk: The thing with multiple moderators, our policies is to have some assignments of responsibilities
12:33:42 <jthomas> mm: Its really helpful to have two in case one person is not available that TF does not fall apart
12:34:16 <jthomas> mk: Any other points to add to the document?
12:34:27 <jthomas> ... Will make this into a PR for review.
12:34:47 <jthomas> ... Any other policies to review?
12:34:55 <jthomas> Topic: Task Force Leads
12:35:32 <jthomas> mk: Updates on profile meetings? When is the next meeting?
12:35:55 <kaz> q+
12:36:02 <jthomas> mm: Neither of the leads are here. They were in the middle of creating a charter.
12:36:26 <mjk> q?
12:36:38 <kaz> i|Updates|subtopic: Profile|
12:36:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:36:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:36:50 <kaz> q-
12:37:01 <jthomas> ... They are not planning on having weekly meetings, but work based on PR's. They might do bi-weekly
12:37:22 <jthomas> kaz: I don't think everything can be handled  via github
12:37:43 <jthomas> mk: A meeting was set every other week.
12:37:43 <kaz> s/think/really think/
12:37:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:38:34 <kaz> i|No new ones coming|subtopic: WoT CG|
12:38:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:38:43 <jthomas> mk: Security Discovery is still suspended. Any change in that work? It would be nice to update the document.
12:38:56 <kaz> s/Cloud Edge CG/subtopic: Cloud Edge CG/
12:38:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:38:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:07 <jthomas> mm: We agreed in TPAC to review and work these documents.
12:39:43 <jthomas> mk: if we can activate the task force for a few weeks to go through the document.
12:39:57 <kaz> i|the group has the|@@@|
12:39:58 <jthomas> mm: we need more people to step up and work on some things.
12:40:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:40:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:40:56 <kaz> q+
12:40:57 <jthomas> ... We are collecting user stories into the new use case format. We need some work to reorganize this document. My plan is to do this before me leave.
12:41:59 <mjk> q?
12:42:05 <jthomas> .. In this mornings meeting we received several new stories that Ege is working on reviewing. It should not become a requirement without review from another TF
12:42:34 <jthomas> kaz: As a working group we need to discuss where to start.
12:43:04 <jthomas> mm: we have a process in the document and if someone has a conflict they need to bring up an issue.
12:43:17 <jthomas> ... We have a proposed process but no resolution to follow it.
12:45:20 <jthomas> ... we are currently following that process
12:45:48 <jthomas> mm: working through the proposals we rewrite them as user stories
12:46:55 <mjk> q?
12:47:00 <EgeKorka_> q+
12:48:43 <jthomas> kaz: which issues should be converted to stories as priorities?
12:49:16 <jthomas> mm: I think we have a consensus between the two task forces.
12:49:51 <jthomas> kaz: we just need to clarify as if people are joining the meetings does not mean that is out to the whole group
12:50:13 <jthomas> mm: suggest we add it to the next meeting to resolve this topic
12:50:59 <jthomas> eg: One is a request for the process, and the second is what priority. So we need to define both these topics.
12:51:21 <kaz> ack m
12:51:23 <kaz> ack k
12:51:24 <kaz> ack e
12:52:30 <jthomas> mm: We will review the process and Ege maybe can help on priority
12:52:39 <jthomas> mk: ANy other points on UC works or TF leads?
12:53:35 <kaz> s/ANy/Any/
12:53:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:54:01 <jthomas> Topic: Task Force Reports
12:54:50 <kaz> i|Any other holidays|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays|
12:55:13 <jthomas> mk: Marketing TF resolved the logo issue
12:57:08 <mjk> q?
12:59:25 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:59:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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