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12:56:41 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:56:50 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:56:56 <janina> date: 09 apr 2025
12:57:01 <janina> chair: Janina
12:57:04 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:57:04 <janina> agenda+ [APA recharter][(https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2025/charter.html)
12:57:04 <janina> agenda+ [New WAI-IG Charter](https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2025/ig-wai.html)
12:57:04 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
12:57:05 <janina> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
12:57:07 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
12:57:10 <janina> agenda+ Other business
12:57:12 <janina> agenda+ Be done
12:57:51 <janina>  /join #rqtf
13:58:33 <janina> present+
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14:03:46 <janina> regrets: Fredrik_Fischer, Alisa_Smith, Cleyra_Uzcategui, Steve_Faulkner, Matthew_Atkinson
14:04:24 <gautierchomel> presnet+
14:04:28 <gautierchomel> scribe+
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14:04:59 <gautierchomel> scribe+ gautierchomel$
14:05:03 <gautierchomel> scribe+ gautierchomel
14:05:21 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:05:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:07:05 <gautierchomel> janina: Matthew is in France for the adisory coimitee meeting, representing us.
14:07:13 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:07:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [APA recharter][(https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/charter-2025/charter.html) -- taken up [from janina]
14:07:53 <gautierchomel> s/adisory/advisory/
14:08:07 <gautierchomel> s/coimitee/commitee/
14:10:06 <gautierchomel> Roy_Ruoxi: W3C review process may take around 3 months. We should process quickly. Let us know if anyone has concerns, here or by email.
14:11:52 <janina> q?
14:12:08 <gautierchomel> janina: we should not be surprised if we receive questions on the process, so we should make sure we are in time to proceed and don't end up with a no charter period. It's procedural but important.
14:12:13 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:12:13 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [New WAI-IG Charter](https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2025/ig-wai.html) -- taken up [from janina]
14:12:55 <Roy_Ruoxi> WAI-IG Charter -> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2025/ig-wai.html
14:14:43 <janina> q?
14:14:50 <gautierchomel> janina: probably the busiest email list of W3C. An important charter to review for us. Only two weeks for us to review. We don't need a formal consensus.
14:14:53 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:14:53 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:15:03 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Audio Session
14:15:03 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/108
14:15:03 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-session/
14:16:35 <gautierchomel> Roy_Ruoxi: its a define effort for api surfacing audio. Various accessibility usecases here. This is  working draft, no timeline for us.
14:17:24 <janina> q?
14:17:26 <gautierchomel> janina: we want to make sure the screen reader is considered here. You should be able to specify which device receive which audio if you have severals.
14:17:52 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:17:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
14:20:37 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Popover and dialog elements with lots of content can be inaccessible
14:20:37 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/11176
14:21:45 <gautierchomel> Eric_hind: I'll take a look at it.
14:23:19 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:23:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-apa-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi
14:23:31 <gautierchomel> PaulG: the issue is on making things scrollable. It came from csswg.
14:24:33 <janina> q?
14:25:06 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:25:06 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
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14:25:59 <gautierchomel> q+
14:26:12 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/11396#issuecomment-2715874704
14:27:01 <gautierchomel> PaulG: there is a discussion about reading flow. Source order, Reading Order.
14:27:08 <janina> q?
14:27:16 <janina> ack gau
14:29:46 <janina> q?
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14:36:27 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: On EPUB working group we have a challenge regarding images in different color modes. reading systems usually ignore authored CSS media queries targeting dark mode. Reading systems may use dark mode for their interface, but the reading windows offer many more theme options. It highlighted that dark mode, as defined, cannot solve the problem of transparent images disappearing when dark themes are used on reading systems.
14:37:18 <gautierchomel> PaulG: There are several options offered by CSS or SVG or other turnarounds to achieve something.
14:39:35 <PaulG> the ways to work around this issue that I'm aware of are author-controlled: use an SVG (fillColor, filter functions, system color tokens, etc), use filter functions with a PNG (ex https://bdwm.be/css-change-a-transparent-png-to-any-color-you-want/), put an outline on the shape that matches the original bg color but will contrast with the alternate,
14:39:35 <PaulG> provide media queries that swap images/backgrounds.
14:42:33 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: here is the EPUB discussion https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2700
14:46:20 <gautierchomel> PaulG: it would need to dig more deeplky into the EPUB world.
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14:46:58 <gautierchomel> janina: it sounds like a profile discussion
14:47:38 <PaulG> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/system-color
14:47:55 <gautierchomel> PaulG: I feel a way is to match color text
14:48:25 <gautierchomel> PaulG: with CSS variable
14:49:29 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: I'll try that path and report here.
14:49:58 <janina> q?
14:50:07 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:50:07 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Other business -- taken up [from janina]
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14:50:31 <gautierchomel> zakim, next item
14:50:31 <Zakim> agendum 7 was just opened, gautierchomel
14:51:10 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:51:10 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:51:11 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:51:11 <Zakim> 8. Be done [from janina]
14:51:18 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-apa-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi
14:51:25 <janina> zakim, next item
14:51:25 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Be done -- taken up [from janina]
14:51:25 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:51:25 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:51:25 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
14:51:29 <gautierchomel> zakim, end meeting
14:51:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Eric_hind, PaulG, gautierchomel, Neha, chiace
14:51:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:51:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/09-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:51:38 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, gautierchomel; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:52:45 <janina> rrsagent, bye
14:52:45 <RRSAgent> I see no action items