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13:53:07 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0000
13:53:19 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:53:19 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:53:19 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-forms-minutes
13:53:25 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:53:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/04-forms-minutes.html Steven
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13:59:44 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:00:07 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven MIPs on controls
14:00:07 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Mar/0005
14:00:16 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0001.html
14:00:33 <Steven> Steven: Any remarks?
14:00:37 <Steven> Erik: Seems fine.
14:00:47 <Steven> Alain: A use case with <group>
14:01:18 <Steven> ... with no binding
14:01:31 <Steven> Steven: THe same would be true of trigger
14:01:37 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:02:42 <Steven> Steven: So how should we describe that?
14:04:24 <Steven> ... "If there is no binding, the property applies to the control"?
14:04:44 <Steven> Erik: How would the processing model work then?
14:06:08 <Steven> Alain: THe properties on the control don't modify the properties of the node
14:07:15 <Steven> Steven: So the suggestion is that the properties on the control only refer to the control, and do not effect the node if there is a binding, but combine with the properties of that node
14:07:24 <ebruchez> <input ref="a" relecant="false()"/>
14:07:26 <Steven> s/effect/affectr/
14:07:44 <ebruchez> <input ref="a"/>
14:07:59 <Steven> s/affectr/affect/
14:08:07 <ebruchez> s/relecant/relevant
14:08:44 <Steven> <input ref="a" relevant=". > 0"/>
14:09:45 <Steven> Steven: So if a is relevant and > 0 then the whole thing is relevant; if a is < 0 it is not relevant, and if a is not relevant then neither is the input.
14:09:52 <Steven> Alain, Erik: Yes
14:10:16 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to update properties on controls
14:11:18 <Steven> Steven: And do we agree that the combination rules are the same? Eg no whitespace on the control if there is one on the node?
14:12:05 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Restrictions
14:12:49 <Steven> Erik: Does it even make sense to have @whitespace on controls?
14:15:24 <Steven> ... inituitively it does.
14:16:37 <Steven> ... but whitespace is more like a calculate.
14:18:57 <Steven> Steven: My original question was about the rules for combinations.
14:19:15 <Steven> Erik: Keep the logic, wven though there are some combinations that looks OK, for whitespace
14:19:59 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:20:38 <Steven> Next call next week.
14:20:48 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:20:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:20:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/04-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:21:26 <Steven> s/THe/The/
14:22:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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