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14:59:49 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:00:20 <julierawe> Meeting: COGA WCAG 3 Coordination Subgroup
15:00:32 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
15:00:38 <julierawe> Meeting: COGA WCAG 3 Coordination Subgroup
15:00:49 <julierawe> date: 03 apr 2025
15:01:30 <julierawe> Agenda+ AG chairs request to close out old Silver issues
15:01:53 <julierawe> Agenda+ New items to add to the COGA tracking doc for WCAG 3 pathways
15:01:55 <julierawe> present+
15:12:55 <kirkwood> present+
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15:13:05 <tiffanyburtin> present+
15:13:18 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:13:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- AG chairs request to close out old Silver issues -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:13:32 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22survey%20%3A%20ready%20for%22&page=1
15:13:56 <julierawe> Per Chuck's April 1st email: "These issues are four or more years old, and can be closed because either the issue has been addressed in the current WCAG 3 draft or the issue has become irrelevant due to changes of content in the WCAG 3 draft."
15:14:58 <julierawe> I looked through the list and none are tagged as being "COGA" issues
15:17:22 <julierawe> I wanted to alert the group about this AG request. I feel comfortable replying to Chuck's email with a +1
15:18:07 <tiffanyburtin> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/346
15:18:46 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin I appreciate Rachael's comments in ticket 346 about normative and informative
15:19:33 <julierawe> kirkwood I use AI to grab all the text and ask a question like "What are the controversial cognitive accessibility issues here that need to be resolved?"
15:19:57 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin There are some intelligent ways to carefully use AI
15:21:23 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin If we've had trusted humans go through and have not raised concerns...
15:21:57 <julierawe> julierawe I don't have time to go through these in detail, but I'm trusting that the AG chairs would have flagged us.
15:24:09 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:24:10 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New items to add to the COGA tracking doc for WCAG 3 pathways -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:24:26 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VhXbUz8PZpRTMvHJq5ZXPwPNXwFNFQDyBi9SWbL6awk/edit?gid=0#gid=0
15:25:43 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin I feel stressed out at the only COGA person in Text appearance
15:26:21 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin We have COGA assignments and AG assignments and it's hard to keep up
15:27:16 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin I had several conversations at CSUN where several people wanted black or white, no squishy.
15:27:34 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin I told them to read Making Content Usable and they were open to it, they want to understand
15:30:46 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin I talked to several AG members at CSUN who are interested in helping with the next version of Making Content Usable
15:32:07 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin Our goal is more informative than normative
15:32:23 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin My only concern is that some individuals from AG will want to make it more normative
15:33:25 <julierawe> julierawe The good news is that WCAG 3 allows assertions
15:34:32 <julierawe> kirkwood It takes a lot of intelligent writing to make assertions less wishy-washy
15:35:26 <julierawe> kirkwood My suggestion is to propose how to involve AG people in a way they feel like they can contribute and empower them to move forward
15:41:22 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin Dr Angela Young is joining COGA—currently in APA and excited to work with us.
15:45:52 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin I took part of Content Usable and put it into ChatGPT with a prompt to write an assertion as an accessibility expert
15:47:48 <julierawe> julierawe We have recommended and can re-recommend that each WCAG 3 group looks at Making Content Usable
15:48:32 <julierawe> tiffanyburtin It seems like we need to do this kind of reminder every six months because of the influx of new people
15:54:19 <julierawe> julierawe The Plain Language team is working on a very robust assertion with lots of components. We have reached out to Jeanne Spellman for feedback.
15:55:47 <julierawe> kirkwood We could suggest a "COGA and Coffee" time, maybe once a month or weekly, to give COGA folks an opportunity to ask questions and talk informally.
15:56:26 <julierawe> kirkwood It could help as people are feeling overwhelmed. Informal way to provide support and help people move forward.
15:57:51 <julierawe> kirkwood It's like going to a conference and the most important things are the brief conversations that happen in the hallway
15:59:39 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/03-coga-minutes.html julierawe
16:00:22 <julierawe> Action item: Julie to re-share Making Content Usable and relevant parts with the different WCAG 3 group leaders.
16:00:49 <julierawe> Action item: Tiffany to follow up with the folks she talked to at CSUN and share link to original Making Content Usable.
16:10:53 <julierawe>      Action item: Julie to suggest setting up an informal "COGA and coffee time"
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16:11:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/03-coga-minutes.html julierawe
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