12:50:53 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 12:50:57 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/04/02-rqtf-irc 12:50:57 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:50:58 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw 12:51:02 meeting: RQTF meeting 12:51:05 present+ 12:51:10 chair: jasonjgw 12:51:16 scribe+ 12:51:32 agenda+ Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI. 12:51:40 agenda+ Miscellaneous topics. 12:53:02 kirkwood has joined #rqtf 12:56:44 JPaton has joined #rqtf 13:00:16 janina has joined #rqtf 13:00:37 present+ John_Paton 13:00:45 present+ 13:01:38 scott_h has joined #rqtf 13:01:53 present+ 13:02:26 present+ josuae108 13:02:32 scribe+ 13:02:52 present+ 13:03:10 rrsagent, make minutes 13:03:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/02-rqtf-minutes.html janina 13:03:39 zakim, who's here? 13:03:39 Present: jasonjgw, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, josuae108, Roy_Ruoxi 13:03:41 On IRC I see scott_h, janina, JPaton, kirkwood, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, shawn, gb, Roy_Ruoxi, Rachael, alastairc 13:03:45 matatk has joined #rqtf 13:03:50 present+ 13:04:29 jason: propsal to reorganise with outlined secitons 13:04:50 q? 13:04:53 q+ 13:04:56 some more open issues raised, good to consider intended changes 13:05:06 Joshue108 has joined #rqtf 13:05:15 ack ja 13:05:22 Here is the draft branch from me https://raw.githack.com/w3c/ai-accessibility/joshEdit1/index.html 13:05:52 janina: good ot talk through reorganisaiton 13:06:39 shawn: good to hear about proposed changes at high level 13:07:11 stacey has joined #rqtf 13:07:15 present+ 13:07:28 josh: restructure proposed before some of github issues b 13:07:32 kevin has joined #rqtf 13:07:43 some new sections 13:07:54 included a section on authoring accessible content 13:08:04 anther seciotn - AI and user perspective 13:08:13 seciton - evaluaiton tools and AI teting 13:08:23 seciotn - AI generaiotn , possibly overlays 13:08:40 seciton - potentila harms in AI 13:09:48 jason: other proposals? 13:10:04 janina: can work with this structure 13:10:54 jason: some github issues woud fit, introducitonadn ethers disucsion 13:11:33 q? 13:11:46 q+ 13:11:46 q+ 13:12:50 q- 13:12:52 ack kevin 13:12:56 kevin: does tease out higher levle issues 13:13:47 sign posting what documetn is trying ot achieve, tentative positive direciton 13:14:49 +1 13:15:14 mathew: value the RQTF work, 13:15:44 good lit review/gap analysis, poitning to other W3C resources and summary, 13:16:04 if this is the goal, good approach 13:16:47 in section 4.1 ATAG and UAAG links are switched, FYI 13:16:47 jason: concern raised about evulation methods to conrim system is able ot meet users needs in unpredictable machine lenring, want to check it works with this structure 13:17:01 q+ 13:17:23 matthew: yes, can ifle two separate issues 13:17:51 ack janina 13:19:02 janina: would propose go through github issues as to where it woudl fit in that structure 13:19:52 q+ 13:20:14 ack ja 13:20:51 step 1: merge Josh's restructure 13:21:09 2. Github issues: go through and make note inside the restructure secitons 13:21:57 3. if doens't fit, teases out what's missing 13:22:06 q? 13:22:10 ack ke 13:22:26 keven: when woudl first drraft be published? 13:22:57 s/keven: when/kevin: when 13:23:23 janina: need tighter coordination, more frequent check-in 13:23:27 q+ 13:23:55 q+ 13:25:09 q+ to say address potential conflicts and publish draft with lots of notes 13:25:21 q? 13:25:40 ack sh 13:25:42 shawn, you wanted to say address potential conflicts and publish draft with lots of notes 13:26:17 shawn: fine to publish 1PWD wiht a lot of open quesitons 13:26:35 need to get quesitons filled in 13:26:52 coudl be seciotns with editors notes, 'thinking about this', 13:27:01 just getting sensistivies addressed 13:27:36 ack me 13:27:46 ack ke 13:28:00 kevin: +1, keen to get to a point where we can publish someitng osoner rather htan later 13:28:18 a document with lots of flags is fine for wokrign draft 13:28:51 signal to community we want ot open up converaiotn 13:29:00 and Josh's strucutreis good step forward 13:29:29 need to rip apart scope, doesn't really say where it needs to go and explaining this isimportant part 13:29:38 q+ 13:30:10 +q 13:31:14 janina: will work on scope to tell clear story 13:32:20 q? 13:32:23 ack ja 13:32:27 ack jo 13:32:54 josh: great. lots of good quesitons to ask and point to what' sthere, raise falgs 13:33:40 jason: thing that resonated with everyone is that its a issues paper. unusual in W3C, 13:33:53 q+ to note "issues papers" and literature review 13:34:00 generally note the issues and understood solutions or aren't, and provide conceptual scheme ot think about 13:34:11 and make decisiona bout quesitons int he document 13:34:26 q? 13:35:04 is this a good prupose in achivement? 13:35:12 q+ 13:35:26 ack me 13:35:26 shawn, you wanted to note "issues papers" and literature review 13:37:05 q+ re lit review citations issue; also process to stay coordinated 13:37:17 shawn is literature reivew needed, 13:37:22 andwhat does the world need form tis document 13:37:22 q- 13:37:39 kevin: +1 13:37:57 janian: +1 too 13:38:49 q+ 13:38:52 still need to address issue of citations, no easy way in academic process that requires hadn editing 13:38:55 ack j 13:38:55 janina, you wanted to discuss lit review citations issue; also process to stay coordinated 13:38:57 q+ to talk about citations 13:40:16 also woudl be good to dicuss hwo to stay coordiated 13:40:23 q? 13:41:01 jason: won't have complete bibliography for some tme due to rapdily evolving subject area 13:41:03 q+ to talk about rapid field 13:41:56 q+ to note shared literature review separate issues from bibliography and citations 13:42:17 q- 13:43:18 kevin: noted. will look at how to manage citations 13:43:51 we can use technology platforms we have to point to relevant research 13:44:45 ack ke 13:44:45 kevin, you wanted to talk about citations and to talk about rapid field 13:44:47 ack sh 13:44:59 shawn: +1, acknowledge technical issue 13:45:14 also looking at sharing of resources as you go 13:45:54 q? 13:46:03 here's the summary, here's key poitns etc 13:46:43 jason: bibliogropahy cited as relevance int eh text and authors slective on what's relevant 13:47:06 public review process helps with those decisions, will provide additional references 13:47:11 or highlight other reosurces. 13:47:15 Public ocmments valuable in that process 13:47:24 q+ 13:48:13 Raja_kushalnagar has joined #RQTF 13:48:34 scott: +1 ot public comment helping clarify resources 13:49:21 kirkwood has joined #rqtf 13:49:22 jason: being able ot importa references, that tehcnical issue is an issue and appreicaed noted help 13:49:50 raja: quesiton - sibib text acceptable? 13:50:04 q- 13:50:17 jason: bibliogropahal databases can export to man formats 13:50:37 scribe/sibib/Is bib 13:51:00 +1 ... tell us what you want! :) 13:51:34 SH: Bibtex works for me 13:52:39 janina; let's pick a format 13:54:54 zakim, next item 13:54:54 agendum 1 -- Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:55:32 jason: immersive captions follow up - any updates 13:55:34 janian; no 13:56:07 zakim, end meeting 13:56:07 As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, josuae108, Roy_Ruoxi, matatk, stacey 13:56:09 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:56:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/02-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim 13:56:16 I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 13:56:17 Zakim has left #rqtf 13:59:18 rrsagent, bye 13:59:18 I see no action items