IRC log of rqtf on 2025-04-02
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
- 12:51:02 [jasonjgw]
- meeting: RQTF meeting
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- present+
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- chair: jasonjgw
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- scribe+
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- agenda+ Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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- present+ John_Paton
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+ josuae108
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- scribe+
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/02-rqtf-minutes.html janina
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: jasonjgw, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, josuae108, Roy_Ruoxi
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- On IRC I see scott_h, janina, JPaton, kirkwood, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, shawn, gb, Roy_Ruoxi, Rachael, alastairc
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- present+
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- jason: propsal to reorganise with outlined secitons
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- q?
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- q+
- 13:04:56 [scott_h]
- some more open issues raised, good to consider intended changes
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- 13:05:15 [janina]
- ack ja
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- Here is the draft branch from me https://raw.githack.com/w3c/ai-accessibility/joshEdit1/index.html
- 13:05:52 [scott_h]
- janina: good ot talk through reorganisaiton
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- shawn: good to hear about proposed changes at high level
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- present+
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- josh: restructure proposed before some of github issues b
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- some new sections
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- included a section on authoring accessible content
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- anther seciotn - AI and user perspective
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- seciton - evaluaiton tools and AI teting
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- seciotn - AI generaiotn , possibly overlays
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- seciton - potentila harms in AI
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- jason: other proposals?
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- janina: can work with this structure
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- jason: some github issues woud fit, introducitonadn ethers disucsion
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- q?
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- q+
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- q+
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- q-
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- ack kevin
- 13:12:56 [scott_h]
- kevin: does tease out higher levle issues
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- sign posting what documetn is trying ot achieve, tentative positive direciton
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- +1
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- mathew: value the RQTF work,
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- good lit review/gap analysis, poitning to other W3C resources and summary,
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- if this is the goal, good approach
- 13:16:47 [stacey]
- in section 4.1 ATAG and UAAG links are switched, FYI
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- jason: concern raised about evulation methods to conrim system is able ot meet users needs in unpredictable machine lenring, want to check it works with this structure
- 13:17:01 [janina]
- q+
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- matthew: yes, can ifle two separate issues
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- ack janina
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- janina: would propose go through github issues as to where it woudl fit in that structure
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- q+
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- ack ja
- 13:20:51 [scott_h]
- step 1: merge Josh's restructure
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- 2. Github issues: go through and make note inside the restructure secitons
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- 3. if doens't fit, teases out what's missing
- 13:22:06 [janina]
- q?
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- ack ke
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- keven: when woudl first drraft be published?
- 13:22:57 [shawn]
- s/keven: when/kevin: when
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- janina: need tighter coordination, more frequent check-in
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- q+
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- q+
- 13:25:09 [shawn]
- q+ to say address potential conflicts and publish draft with lots of notes
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- q?
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- ack sh
- 13:25:42 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say address potential conflicts and publish draft with lots of notes
- 13:26:17 [scott_h]
- shawn: fine to publish 1PWD wiht a lot of open quesitons
- 13:26:35 [scott_h]
- need to get quesitons filled in
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- coudl be seciotns with editors notes, 'thinking about this',
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- just getting sensistivies addressed
- 13:27:36 [shawn]
- ack me
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- ack ke
- 13:28:00 [scott_h]
- kevin: +1, keen to get to a point where we can publish someitng osoner rather htan later
- 13:28:18 [scott_h]
- a document with lots of flags is fine for wokrign draft
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- signal to community we want ot open up converaiotn
- 13:29:00 [scott_h]
- and Josh's strucutreis good step forward
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- need to rip apart scope, doesn't really say where it needs to go and explaining this isimportant part
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- q+
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- +q
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- janina: will work on scope to tell clear story
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- q?
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- ack ja
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- ack jo
- 13:32:54 [scott_h]
- josh: great. lots of good quesitons to ask and point to what' sthere, raise falgs
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- jason: thing that resonated with everyone is that its a issues paper. unusual in W3C,
- 13:33:53 [shawn]
- q+ to note "issues papers" and literature review
- 13:34:00 [scott_h]
- generally note the issues and understood solutions or aren't, and provide conceptual scheme ot think about
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- and make decisiona bout quesitons int he document
- 13:34:26 [janina]
- q?
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- is this a good prupose in achivement?
- 13:35:12 [kevin]
- q+
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- ack me
- 13:35:26 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to note "issues papers" and literature review
- 13:37:05 [janina]
- q+ re lit review citations issue; also process to stay coordinated
- 13:37:17 [scott_h]
- shawn is literature reivew needed,
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- andwhat does the world need form tis document
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- q-
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- kevin: +1
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- janian: +1 too
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- q+
- 13:38:52 [scott_h]
- still need to address issue of citations, no easy way in academic process that requires hadn editing
- 13:38:55 [shawn]
- ack j
- 13:38:55 [Zakim]
- janina, you wanted to discuss lit review citations issue; also process to stay coordinated
- 13:38:57 [kevin]
- q+ to talk about citations
- 13:40:16 [scott_h]
- also woudl be good to dicuss hwo to stay coordiated
- 13:40:23 [janina]
- q?
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- jason: won't have complete bibliography for some tme due to rapdily evolving subject area
- 13:41:03 [kevin]
- q+ to talk about rapid field
- 13:41:56 [shawn]
- q+ to note shared literature review separate issues from bibliography and citations
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- q-
- 13:43:18 [scott_h]
- kevin: noted. will look at how to manage citations
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- we can use technology platforms we have to point to relevant research
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- ack ke
- 13:44:45 [Zakim]
- kevin, you wanted to talk about citations and to talk about rapid field
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- ack sh
- 13:44:59 [scott_h]
- shawn: +1, acknowledge technical issue
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- also looking at sharing of resources as you go
- 13:45:54 [janina]
- q?
- 13:46:03 [scott_h]
- here's the summary, here's key poitns etc
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- jason: bibliogropahy cited as relevance int eh text and authors slective on what's relevant
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- public review process helps with those decisions, will provide additional references
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- or highlight other reosurces.
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- Public ocmments valuable in that process
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- q+
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- scott: +1 ot public comment helping clarify resources
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- jason: being able ot importa references, that tehcnical issue is an issue and appreicaed noted help
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- raja: quesiton - sibib text acceptable?
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- q-
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- jason: bibliogropahal databases can export to man formats
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- scribe/sibib/Is bib
- 13:51:00 [kevin]
- +1 ... tell us what you want! :)
- 13:51:34 [Joshue108]
- SH: Bibtex works for me
- 13:52:39 [scott_h]
- janina; let's pick a format
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- jason: immersive captions follow up - any updates
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- janian; no
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, John_Paton, janina, scott_h, josuae108, Roy_Ruoxi, matatk, stacey
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/04/02-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items