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14:48:42 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:48:42 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
14:48:56 <AvneeshSingh> present+
14:49:03 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
14:49:44 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Overview of changes done after the release of the third and final draft.
14:50:01 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Which changes are safe to do during this final draft stage?
14:50:15 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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15:04:08 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:04:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Overview of changes done after the release of the third and final draft. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:04:27 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: let's speak about the changes for last release
15:04:47 <gpellegrino> rickj: is there a changelog?
15:05:22 <gpellegrino> matt: there is one Change log section at the bottom of each document
15:06:01 <Madeleine> present+
15:06:33 <gpellegrino> ... EPUB Metadata changes we made sure all XPATHs conforms to XPATH 1.0 spec
15:07:08 <gpellegrino> ... one of the larger change was about the hazards, the unkown hazards weren't captured at all, we fixed it
15:07:59 <gpellegrino> ... this changed the algorithm as well as new strings for the output
15:08:23 <gpellegrino> ... we also updated some XPATHs to manage refines attributes in the EPUB
15:10:07 <gpellegrino> ... in the ONIX we had less issues, mainly about hazards
15:10:48 <gpellegrino> ... in the guidelines small typos in the strings were fixed
15:12:37 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:12:40 <rickj> q+
15:12:53 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: two small things: a PR about code 99 for contacting the plusher
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15:12:55 <AvneeshSingh> ack rick
15:13:01 <mgarrish> present+
15:13:22 <gpellegrino> ... plus two new codes in ONIX that  we'll add
15:13:41 <gpellegrino> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/676
15:15:42 <gpellegrino> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/678
15:15:58 <gpellegrino> q+
15:16:20 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:17:32 <mgarrish> gpellegrino: I think we have three level of changes in our document - since we asked for feedback until April I think some more changes may come - the most impactful are adding or changing strings as it affects localization, then algorithm changes, and finally changes to text outside the outputs
15:18:13 <mgarrish> ... my proposal is to continue to have the last type of changes but for the first two we should decide as a group how to manage
15:18:17 <rickj> q+
15:18:20 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:18:25 <George> q+
15:18:35 <AvneeshSingh> ack rick
15:20:53 <gpellegrino> rick: int he agenda I see 4 types, are you proposing to allow only text changes without touching strings and algorithm?
15:21:02 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:21:13 <AvneeshSingh> ack georg
15:21:20 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: how do we want to move for the other 3 types?
15:21:41 <gpellegrino> rickj: I would propose to freeze the changes to this version
15:22:08 <gpellegrino> George: for me the hazard refactor is important
15:22:31 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: that change was already made
15:22:41 <gpellegrino> ... the idea is to block new changes
15:22:57 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:23:00 <gpellegrino> rickj: plus the two known issues for ONIX
15:23:28 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: I don't see other changes coming, we passed all issues in the tracker
15:25:19 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: ok, so after the PRs for ONIX we freeze the work
15:25:40 <gpellegrino> ... allowing only changes in the text, without touching strings and algorithm
15:26:08 <gpellegrino> George: do we need o update the canonical JSON?
15:26:51 <gpellegrino> rickj: I think it's fine to have all merged and update the JSON on the 11th
15:27:00 <gpellegrino> ... 11th of april
15:28:38 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: do you see other changes in ONIX coming?
15:28:55 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: not really these were the only codes missing
15:29:04 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:29:17 <gpellegrino> Madeleine: in the crosswalk document there is still some work to do, but it should not impact this document
15:30:06 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: ok, so if we don't have disrupting feedback, we'll release the final version on the 11th
15:30:53 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: since these are guidelines, it's not mandatory to implement them at 100%
15:31:32 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:31:36 <gpellegrino> ... implementers have the freedom to implement with small differences
15:31:37 <gpellegrino> q+
15:31:46 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:32:48 <gpellegrino> George: how do we want to display the implementations?
15:33:04 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: one option is to have static HTML from the implementers
15:34:06 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: do we want to use a separate document?
15:34:09 <gpellegrino> q+
15:34:45 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: do we have time?
15:35:00 <gpellegrino> before the release?
15:35:21 <gpellegrino> rickj: I can provide a screenshot
15:36:00 <gpellegrino> AvneeshSingh: we can make an external index to list the implementations
15:36:24 <rickj> q+
15:36:35 <gpellegrino> ... so we can update it without touching the document
15:36:37 <gpellegrino> q+
15:36:47 <AvneeshSingh> ack ack next
15:37:12 <AvneeshSingh> ack rick
15:37:24 <gpellegrino> George: what about localization?
15:38:08 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: we've translated the strings in iItalian and we'll make a PR before the 11th
15:38:22 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:39:59 <gpellegrino> rickj: We'll soon have 27 languages, and we'll donate the localization
15:40:07 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:40:18 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:40:25 <gpellegrino> George: I think we have to update the canonical JSON with hazards
15:40:32 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I'll do it
15:40:39 <gpellegrino> s/27/37/
15:40:44 <rickj> List of languages:
15:40:45 <rickj> Canadienne-française (French Canada)
15:40:45 <rickj> Catalan
15:40:45 <rickj> Čeština (Czech)
15:40:45 <rickj> Dansk (Danish)
15:40:46 <rickj> Deutsch (German)
15:40:46 <rickj> English (English)
15:40:46 <rickj> English-UK (British English)
15:40:47 <rickj> Español (Spanish)
15:40:47 <rickj> Español Latino (Spanish Latin America)
15:40:47 <rickj> Français (French)
15:40:48 <rickj> Hindi (India)
15:40:48 <rickj> Iceland (Icelandic)
15:40:48 <rickj> Ireland (Irish Gaelic)
15:40:49 <rickj> Italiano (Italian)
15:40:49 <rickj> Magyar (Hungarian)
15:40:49 <rickj> Nederlands (Dutch)
15:40:50 <rickj> Norsk (Norwegian Bokmal)
15:40:50 <rickj> Polski (Polish)
15:40:50 <rickj> Português (Portuguese)
15:40:51 <rickj> Português Brasil (Portuguese Brazil)
15:40:51 <rickj> Pусский (Russian)
15:40:51 <rickj> Românã (Romanian)
15:40:52 <rickj> Suomi (Finnish)
15:40:52 <rickj> Svenska (Swedish)
15:40:52 <rickj> Tagalog (Filipino)
15:40:53 <rickj> Tiếng Việt (Vietnamese)
15:40:53 <rickj> Türkçe (Turkish)
15:40:53 <rickj> Wales (Welsh)
15:40:54 <rickj> Ελληνικά (Greek)
15:40:54 <rickj> български (Bulgarian)
15:40:54 <rickj> עברית (Hebrew)
15:40:55 <rickj> العربية (Arabic)
15:40:55 <rickj> ภาษาไทย (Thai)
15:40:55 <rickj> 한국어 (Korean)
15:40:56 <rickj> 日本語 (Japanese)
15:40:56 <rickj> 简体中文 (Chinese Simplified)
15:40:56 <rickj> 繁體中文 (Chinese Traditional)
15:43:19 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:43:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:43:28 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:44:43 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
15:44:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, gpellegrino, George, rickj, Madeleine, mgarrish
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