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12:52:52 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
12:52:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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12:53:10 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
12:57:40 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
12:57:47 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:57:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:57:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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13:01:29 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:01:39 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
13:02:12 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:02:31 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#March_12-13%2C_2025
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13:09:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:10:05 <kaz> q+
13:10:06 <kaz> q-
13:10:26 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
13:11:15 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:11:27 <kaz> topic: Agenda
13:11:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#March_12-13%2C_2025 Agenda for today
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13:11:58 <kaz> ek: binding registry and initial connection
13:12:09 <kaz> ... as well as the minutes review
13:12:13 <kaz> topic: Minutes
13:12:27 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html Mar-6
13:12:32 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:12:38 <EgeKorkan> q?
13:12:53 <kaz> ek: any remarks?
13:12:54 <kaz> (none)
13:13:00 <kaz> approved
13:13:31 <kaz> topic: Binding registry
13:13:41 <kaz> ek: yesterday we started some discussion
13:13:59 <kaz> ... how to proceed with the Registry requirements document?
13:14:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/blob/main/registry-requirements.md Registry requirements document (MD)
13:15:20 <kaz> ek: need to change the title and the document type when we publish this as a Note
13:15:34 <kaz> ... (refers to an example of Web Codec Registry)
13:15:52 <kaz> ... probably need to check with PLH but should be OK since this is a Note
13:16:17 <kaz> q+
13:16:57 <kaz> q-
13:17:54 <kaz> kaz: Technically, it's not republishing the existing "WoT Binding Templates Note" but rather publishing a new "WoT Binding Registry Document"
13:19:25 <kaz> ... so don't think it would be problematic
13:19:46 <kaz> ... but registry publication is rather new, so would suggest we consult with PLH to make sure
13:20:00 <kaz> ek: (goes through the W3C Process document)
13:20:03 <kaz> -> @@@
13:20:51 <kaz> ek: so would confirm everybody is OK with moving the content from the existing/remaining WoT Binding Templates Note to the WoT Binding Registry Document
13:20:53 <EgeKorkan> q?
13:21:02 <dape> q+
13:21:11 <kaz> dp: quick question
13:21:34 <kaz> ... the content will be moved but the URL of the old Note will be there. right?
13:21:43 <kaz> ... what would happen with the old URL?
13:21:44 <kaz> q+
13:22:02 <dape> ack dape
13:22:11 <kaz> ek: if needed, we can change the URL
13:26:03 <kaz> ... but if we want to continue to use the "wot-binding-templates" URL for the WoT Binding Registry Document, we need to move the old content to a new repository
13:26:44 <kaz> kaz: think it would be less confusing if we should use a new URL, e.g., "wot-binding-registry" for the new WoT Binding Registry Document
13:26:52 <kaz> ek: which would be better?
13:26:56 <kaz> ack k
13:27:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:27:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:27:27 <EgeKorkan> proposal 1: Use the https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/ URL as the registry, i.e. overwrite the current content with registry
13:27:44 <kaz> s|@@@|https://www.w3.org/policies/process/ W3C Process Document|
13:27:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:27:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:28:12 <EgeKorkan> proposal 2: create new repository, e.g. wot-binding-templates-registry, and start fresh in that repository with the registry content. The old document will have a banner directing people to the relevant place
13:28:24 <cris> q+
13:28:46 <kaz> ca: no big preference
13:29:10 <kaz> ... but if we go for the proposal 1 above, what would happen?
13:29:28 <kaz> ek: the new content will be included in the index.html under wot-binding-templates
13:30:44 <kaz> ca: so not describing the Binding Templates itself as we used to be doing
13:30:50 <kaz> ek: right
13:31:19 <kaz> ca: we can reuse this but no big preference then
13:31:58 <kaz> ek: there is an Editor's Note about "Future Work"
13:32:24 <kaz> ca: do we want to keep the content of this old Note?
13:33:23 <kaz> ek: binding template mechanism itself is already handled by the WoT Thing Description spec
13:33:44 <kaz> ... and we need to describe how to manage the registry for the WoT Binding Registry Document
13:34:20 <EgeKorkan> q?
13:34:49 <kaz> ca: slightly concerned about the cost to create a new repo, but not a big concern
13:36:02 <kaz> ... if we're ok with creating a new repo for the Binding Registry Document, I'm OK with putting a banner saying "This Note at wot-binding-templates is obsolete."
13:36:12 <kaz> dp: both solutions might work
13:36:52 <kaz> ... we should make sure the old WoT Binding Templates Note is not maintained
13:36:58 <kaz> ... and guide people to the new plac
13:37:02 <kaz> s/plac/place/
13:37:05 <kaz> q?
13:37:07 <kaz> ack c
13:37:40 <kaz> ek: in that case, we can put some text on this obsolete WoT Binding Templates Note and lead them to the new Registry Document
13:37:59 <kaz> ... but for today, we don't have a strong preference yet
13:38:10 <kaz> ... so would create a new GitHub Issue for further discussion
13:39:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/421 Binding Issue 421 - Where should the registry live?
13:40:12 <EgeKorkan> q?
13:40:55 <kaz> ek: WoT Binding Template mechanism itself is described by the WoT Thing Description spec
13:41:52 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#binding-templates WoT Thing Description ED - 8. Binding Templates
13:42:17 <kaz> ek: which repository to put the actual registry information?
13:42:30 <kaz> topic: Initial Connection
13:42:41 <kaz> ek: how to proceed?
13:43:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/proposals/initial-connection proposal
13:43:20 <kaz> ek: our proposal is available online as MD above
13:43:39 <cris> q+
13:43:39 <kaz> ... should we include the proposal into the WoT Thing Description Editor's Draft now?
13:44:23 <kaz> ca: is the new tooling ready?
13:44:26 <kaz> ek: not yet
13:44:40 <kaz> ca: what would be the impact of the tooling change then?
13:44:53 <kaz> ek: potentially big impacts...
13:45:12 <dape> q+
13:45:20 <kaz> ca: would be better to clarify possible algorithm, etc., first then
13:45:23 <kaz> ack c
13:46:03 <kaz> ek: so you mean we should update the index.html itself until the tooling is ready?
13:46:06 <kaz> ca: right
13:46:13 <kaz> q?
13:46:17 <kaz> q+
13:46:37 <kaz> ek: tables and diagrams will be changed
13:46:43 <kaz> ... they're all normative
13:47:01 <kaz> s/they're/tables are/
13:47:04 <EgeKorkan> q?
13:47:18 <kaz> dp: thinking now...
13:47:36 <kaz> ... with this initial connection, we could get much flexibility
13:47:53 <kaz> ... but wondering about the usage from the users' viewpoint
13:48:09 <kaz> ... maybe we can say we just define TD
13:48:35 <kaz> ... and another spec about how to use TD could mention this
13:48:46 <kaz> ... simpler version TD and full version TD
13:49:08 <kaz> ek: simplified vs condense/full
13:49:20 <kaz> ack d
13:49:49 <kaz> ... there will be some changes other than this proposal
13:50:21 <kaz> ... (goes through Table 3)
13:50:30 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#table-vocabulary-terms-in-thing-level TD ED - Table 3
13:51:00 <kaz> dp: might be going to be too difficult to use the full spec TD around reusable connection
13:51:15 <kaz> ek: maybe would be better to add restructure
13:52:12 <kaz> kaz: tend to agree with Daniel
13:52:23 <kaz> ... the initial/reusable connection proposal is getting bigger
13:52:34 <kaz> ... so should think about how to put the proposal into the TD spec
13:52:59 <kaz> ... as Daniel also mentioned, might be better to have another separate document about TD connection for this
13:53:58 <kaz> ek: don't want to have a separate document...
13:54:15 <kaz> kaz: we're not really suggesting we should have a separate document for today
13:54:31 <kaz> ... but would suggest we should think about the document structure a bit more
13:54:52 <kaz> q-
13:55:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:55:37 <kaz> ek: (crates a new TD GitHub Issue for this discussion)
13:55:55 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2089 TD Issue 2089 - Moving ahead with the initial connections feature
13:55:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:56:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:56:39 <kaz> s/connections/connection/
13:56:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:56:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
13:57:06 <EgeKorkan> q?
13:57:30 <kaz> s/crates/creates/
13:57:35 <kaz> topic: TD Project
13:57:56 <kaz> -> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80 TD Project
13:58:29 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 2084
13:58:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2084 Issue 2084 - Better description for EventAffordance subscription and cancellation
13:58:51 <kaz> ek: would talk about it next time
13:58:59 <kaz> topic: AOB
13:59:27 <kaz> ek: next week, we'll have informal discussion about Conexxus liaison on Wednesday
13:59:40 <kaz> ... the call will start 30 mins later than usual
13:59:51 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:59:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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