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13:53:23 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b7edae68-f52c-4aab-a1a6-3c37459e0786/20250313T150000/
13:53:23 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:53:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:53:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:53:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:53:27 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR
13:53:29 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:53:31 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:53:32 <agendabot> agenda+ WCAG guidance
13:53:34 <agendabot> agenda+ Specdev PR about characters and truncation
13:53:36 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:53:39 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:53:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:10:36 <r12a> addison, meeting will start in 50 mins from now
14:11:23 <Bert> My regrets, I need to attend another meeting.
14:50:46 <addison> agenda+ HTML dir=auto inheritance (i18n-activity 1819)
14:56:15 <addison> present+
15:01:33 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Fuqiao
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15:02:28 <addison> present+ Richard
15:03:00 <atsushi> scribe+
15:03:15 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:18 <addison> agenda?
15:03:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:03:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:05 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
15:04:11 <addison> #160
15:04:12 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/160 -> Action 160  review graphemes in specdev and add balinese example and otherwise fix the text (on aphillips) due 2025-03-06
15:04:20 <atsushi> addison: in agenda item
15:04:24 <addison> #159
15:04:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/159 -> Action 159  write up proposal for specdev char-string section, adding material that deals with the encoding interface et al (on aphillips) due 2025-02-27
15:04:43 <addison> #158
15:04:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/158 -> Action 158  research activity 1971 (html 10896) about ruby bidi isolation with jltf (on himorin) due 2025-02-27
15:05:04 <atsushi> atsushi: sent a comment to the issue
15:05:09 <addison> close #158
15:05:11 <gb> Closed -> issue #158 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/158
15:05:14 <addison> #157
15:05:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157 -> Action 157  write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20
15:05:46 <addison> #142
15:05:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/142 -> Action 142 check if we can publish the new version of jlreq (on himorin) due 2024-11-21
15:05:47 <atsushi> addison: did, review last week, and will come back
15:06:25 <xfq> scribe+
15:06:26 <xfq> atsushi: kida-san will talk with r12a and xfq
15:06:45 <xfq> r12a: can I ask what the issue is Kida-san is going to ask?
15:07:06 <xfq> atsushi: What is the scope of editors
15:07:44 <xfq> addison: Contributors will be a much longer list than the list of editors
15:07:49 <xfq> atsushi: yes, should be
15:07:53 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:08:24 <addison> close #142
15:08:27 <gb> Closed -> issue #142 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/142
15:08:32 <addison> #135
15:08:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
15:08:40 <addison> #127
15:08:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
15:08:44 <atsushi> addison: 135, pending
15:08:48 <atsushi> addison: 127, also pending
15:08:54 <addison> #89
15:08:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
15:09:03 <addison> #33
15:09:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:09:07 <atsushi> xfq: 89, no progress on dark mode
15:09:16 <atsushi> addison: 33, one item in agenda
15:09:33 <addison> #7
15:09:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
15:09:37 <atsushi> addison, 7, see no item on this front
15:09:42 <addison> #4
15:09:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
15:09:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:09:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:10:12 <addison> https://messageformat.unicode.org/
15:10:27 <atsushi> addison: unicode now have site for message format
15:10:43 <atsushi> ... nice web site, but some issues on text
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15:11:13 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:11:13 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:11:26 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
15:11:34 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
15:11:54 <atsushi> addison: completed WebAuthn lv3
15:11:56 <atsushi> ... and in agenda item
15:12:05 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:12:05 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:12:34 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3As%3Awebauthn%20
15:12:44 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1643#issuecomment-2379550440
15:12:45 <atsushi> addison: web authentication lv 3, went through, see no new issue but bunch of old issues still exist
15:12:45 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/1643 -> Issue 1643 Use of in-field metadata not preferred (by aphillips) [type:technical] [i18n-needs-resolution] [@Risk]
15:13:06 <atsushi> ... in TPAC we had some discussion and raised placeholder, on what they should do, but haven't performed yet
15:13:12 <atsushi> ... will go back and ask on this
15:13:50 <atsushi> addison: despite from our recommendation in string, they developed their own way to deal with
15:14:08 <atsushi> ... they have not performed alignment yet
15:15:13 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:15:16 <atsushi> addison: any other pending issue?
15:15:34 <addison> agenda?
15:15:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:15:46 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- HTML dir=auto inheritance (i18n-activity 1819) -- taken up [from addison]
15:17:08 <atsushi> xfq: one item in INFRA for pending, without topic label
15:17:19 <atsushi> ... will clean up
15:17:30 <addison> i18n-activity#1819
15:17:30 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1819 -> Issue 1819 Should dir=auto with no strong characters inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [i:bidi_text] [spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq] [t:bidi_markup] [Agenda+I18N+WHATWG]
15:17:30 <gb> … [whatwg]
15:17:46 <addison> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097
15:17:47 <gb> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097 -> CLOSED Issue 10097 Should dir=auto with no strong characters inherit directionality from parent or be ltr? (by dbaron) [i18n-tracker] [i18n-alreq] [i18n-hlreq]
15:18:26 <atsushi> addison: last comment in the issue, I was pushing personally, not to do that
15:18:53 <atsushi> ... if the content of auto are all neutrals, make sense to meet with
15:19:28 <addison> my comment: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10097#issuecomment-2371483752
15:19:51 <atsushi> r12a: I see comment from fantasai there
15:20:13 <atsushi> addison: my point is why we should do this way
15:23:01 <atsushi> r12a: fantasai seems to propose huristic based one
15:24:44 <Bert> present+
15:27:27 <atsushi> [checking browser behavior using bidi text demo tool]
15:31:04 <atsushi> r12a: one problem, difference between hebrew and arabic, in terms of number ordering
15:31:38 <atsushi> addison: still expecting to be default to surrounding text
15:39:37 <atsushi> r12a: using not number but range like 10-20, change happends between two
15:44:56 <atsushi> addison: if no strong character in sequence
15:49:48 <atsushi> addison: agreed on concern, and propose to reopen this with statement on concern
15:50:04 <atsushi> r12a: suggest to provide simple example and explanation
15:50:24 <addison> agenda?
15:50:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:50:38 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Specdev PR about characters and truncation -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:50:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/153
15:51:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/153 -> Pull Request 153 Rewrite the character introduction (by aphillips)
15:51:07 <addison> https://deploy-preview-153--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#characters
15:51:19 <atsushi> addison: kind of wanting to have more meta conversation
15:55:23 <atsushi> addison: making terminology consistent, and fix truncation stuff
15:55:53 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-characters/index.en.html#characters
15:58:58 <atsushi> r12a: it's best to make sure people can understand mustard stuff, mustard is the core of this document
15:59:58 <atsushi> addison: need to review mustards in string section with charmod
16:00:12 <Bert> ("back of a napkin": isn't it "back of an envelop" or just "napkin"?)
16:00:31 <xfq> s/string section with charmod/character section coming from charmod
16:02:51 <atsushi> xfq: not all of description in non-mustard is essential
16:03:52 <atsushi> xfq: suggesting, going through non-mustard part
16:07:18 <xfq> addison: I have thought about removing the example boxes and just making all the text flat
16:07:26 <xfq> r12a: that would be a bit heavy
16:10:56 <xfq> addison: I would be totally happy not to have any of these because I'm rewriting Essentials
16:11:16 <xfq> r12a: and it may be that we need to improve Essentials
16:11:31 <xfq> addison: A) I could commit this and then we can iterate
16:11:49 <xfq> ... B) I can push this to one side and we try it the other direction
16:12:57 <xfq> ... I should merge this to the ED
16:13:11 <xfq> ... and we'll work on the truncating separately from the characters section
16:13:18 <xfq> r12a: sounds good
16:14:06 <xfq> addison: I could revert the truncation part and put it in another PR
16:14:54 <xfq> r12a: thank you addison for doing all this stuff
16:15:05 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:15:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-i18n-minutes.html xfq
16:15:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/13-i18n-minutes.html addison
17:33:00 <addison> zakim, bye
17:33:00 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Richard, Bert
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