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14:03:15 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
14:04:18 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:04:18 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
14:04:38 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:04:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:04:58 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#March_12-13%2C_2025
14:06:15 <dape> scribe: dape
14:08:03 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes Review
14:08:13 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-td-minutes.html Mar-5
14:08:13 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-td-minutes.html
14:08:50 <dape> EK: Any remarks?
14:09:08 <dape> ... none -> minutes are approved
14:09:26 <dape> TOPIC: Next week
14:09:41 <dape> EK: Kaz is not available both days Wed/Thu
14:09:45 <dape> ... changes to agenda
14:10:01 <dape> ... Wed: Connexus special call
14:10:03 <kaz> q+
14:10:46 <dape> ... not a normal taskforce call.. but still relevant for all of us
14:10:56 <dape> Kaz: I am sorry I cannot make it
14:11:21 <kaz> q-
14:11:33 <dape> ... we can call that "Informal Discussion about Connexxus liaison"
14:11:51 <dape> EK: On Thursday: Informal meeting. Informal means working/refining issues but not merging PRs
14:12:15 <dape> ... the week after, we cancel call on March 27th
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14:12:36 <dape> TOPICS: PRs
14:13:02 <EgeKorkan> @JKRhb are you joining the call?
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14:14:33 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR 2086
14:14:35 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2086
14:15:01 <dape> EK: Template is now working
14:15:19 <dape> ... simple fix to show up properly
14:15:34 <dape> ... editorial vs. normative
14:15:36 <cris> +1
14:15:52 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2086|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2086 TD PR 2086 - PR Template: Remove Checkboxes|
14:16:05 <dape> EK: No concerns, merging
14:16:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:16:22 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR 2081
14:16:28 <kaz> s/@JKRhb are you joining the call?//
14:16:35 <EgeKorkan> s/2081/2080
14:16:37 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080
14:16:57 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:17:21 <dape> EK: about not validating TDs with JSON schema
14:17:32 <dape> ... URI enforcement etc
14:17:42 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080 TD PR 2080 - fix: align JSON Schema with JSON-LD @context format|
14:18:14 <dape> ... tool I shared is not working as expected
14:18:50 <dape> ... I don't understand the problem
14:19:04 <dape> ... real problem is minor errata
14:19:33 <dape> ... prefixItems term is only introduced in newer version of JSON schema
14:19:48 <dape> ... term "items" should be used instead
14:20:01 <dape> ... Hence we have a small errata
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14:21:09 <dape> ... changing "prefixItems" with "items" solved this issue
14:21:16 <dape> ... "contains" no longer needed
14:21:36 <dape> ... we should add tests in playground
14:22:14 <JKRhb> present+ Jan_Romann
14:23:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:23:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:23:15 <dape> JR: Do I need to update the PR?
14:23:15 <dape> EK: I did already
14:23:30 <kaz> s/TOPICS:/topic:/
14:23:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:24:15 <cris> q+
14:24:21 <dape> EK: Question allowing old context URL ... comment there
14:25:06 <dape> CA: I am not 100% sure why it is there
14:25:21 <dape> ... I think it is there for backwards compatibility
14:25:42 <dape> ... I think Ben was also advocating for it
14:26:06 <kaz> q?
14:26:11 <kaz> ack c
14:26:39 <dape> EK: I hope people are fine with the changes
14:27:08 <dape> ... I have done tests on playground
14:27:57 <dape> ... I didn't encounter any issues
14:28:36 <kaz> -> https://github.com/eclipse-thingweb/playground/pull/626 related playground PR 626 - Update schema to test context urls
14:28:44 <JKRhb> q+
14:28:52 <dape> ... putting it to wot-resources requires resolution
14:29:10 <cris> q+
14:29:14 <dape> JR: Minor point. We need to update thing model schema as well
14:29:19 <dape> EK: Right
14:29:40 <dape> CA: I am okay moving it to wot-resources
14:29:48 <dape> ... it is just a corner case
14:29:48 <JKRhb> +1
14:30:00 <dape> ... Some previous TDs can fail now, right?
14:30:19 <dape> EK: Yes, TD could have a number for context and would fail now.
14:31:01 <EgeKorkan> proposal: The changes to the TD and TM JSON Schemas in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080 can be mirrored to wot-resources
14:31:54 <dape> EK: Errata needs to be updated
14:34:28 <cris> +1
14:34:30 <dape> ... I will send email to ask for a resolution
14:34:33 <EgeKorkan> resolution: The changes to the TD and TM JSON Schemas in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080 can be mirrored to wot-resources
14:35:48 <dape> EK: closing PR 2088
14:36:41 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR 2081
14:36:43 <dape> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081
14:37:01 <dape> EK: I think there hasn't been any update
14:37:28 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081 TD PR 2081 - Make contentType optional in ExpectedResponse and AdditionalExpectedResponse classes|
14:37:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:37:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:37:58 <dape> ... Ben responded with "not liking global default being removed"
14:38:25 <dape> ... not an issue with initial connections
14:39:21 <dape> CA: contentType is not strictly needed for TD2.0
14:40:08 <dape> ... 1 step of a more complex solution that is going to come
14:42:06 <dape> TOPIC: Binding Registry
14:42:44 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR 420
14:42:47 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/420 Binding PR 420 - Binding Dependencies
14:43:12 <dape> EK: Replaced *weird* paragraph
14:43:46 <dape> ... summary document must contain dependencies
14:44:21 <dape> ... binding shall not be redefined
14:44:42 <dape> ... dependency must be submitted as a separate entity
14:45:09 <dape> ... we roughly agreed on last week
14:45:11 <JKRhb> q+
14:45:29 <dape> ... issue 401
14:45:32 <dape> q?
14:45:42 <cris> ack cri
14:45:42 <dape> JR: Changes look good
14:45:57 <dape> ... should it be possible to specify version ranges?
14:46:09 <dape> ... patch releases?
14:46:23 <kaz> i|Changes look|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/401 related Binding Issue 401 - Handling Bindings that depend on other bindings|
14:46:25 <dape> ... or is that going to be too complicated
14:46:38 <dape> EK: Yes, seems complicated
14:46:47 <dape> JR: Okay, let's defer this discussion
14:47:03 <dape> q?
14:47:05 <JKRhb> ack j
14:47:06 <dape> ack JKRhb
14:47:28 <dape> EK: I think we can merge PR 420
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14:48:12 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 400
14:48:35 <dape> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/400
14:49:11 <dape> EK: For now, we say version is a string
14:49:32 <dape> ... we cannot say "semantic versioning"
14:49:34 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/400|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/400 Binding Issue 400 - Versioning of Registry Entries|
14:49:57 <dape> ... we can discuss versioning mechanism
14:50:11 <dape> ... or submitter uses its own versioning mechanism
14:50:21 <kaz> q+
14:50:32 <dape> ... most users unique version should be enough
14:50:52 <dape> ... so far we do not do any versioning in bindings
14:51:05 <cris> q+
14:51:13 <JKRhb> q+
14:51:55 <dape> Kaz: We need a mechanism in the end
14:52:34 <dape> ... can think about semantics and registry entry
14:52:57 <dape> .... we need to think about semantic versioning of registry
14:53:01 <kaz> q-
14:53:07 <kaz> s/We need/Maybe we need/
14:53:26 <dape> EK: You are saying we should understand first how people use the registry?
14:53:28 <dape> Kaz: Yes
14:54:28 <dape> CA: For us, it is important to have a defined order between the versions
14:54:34 <JKRhb> q-
14:54:40 <dape> ... like concept of "latest" version
14:54:48 <kaz> s/can think about semantics and registry entry/but maybe the registry mechanism could handle necessary versioning automatically/
14:54:55 <dape> ... I think we should enforce that
14:55:17 <dape> ... otherwise any versioning scheme might work
14:55:56 <cris> ack cris
14:56:24 <kaz> s/.... we need to think about semantic versioning of registry/... so probably we should think about what kind of semantic versioning is needed for registry entries a bit more based on concrete usage./
14:56:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:57:14 <dape> q?
14:57:41 <dape> EK: I don't see strong opinions
14:57:48 <dape> ... no concrete proposal yet
14:58:13 <dape> ...based on CAs proposal, the date seems to be important
15:00:13 <cris> q+
15:00:46 <cris> ack c
15:00:58 <dape> [adjourned]
15:01:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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