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11:59:32 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
11:59:44 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:00:57 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#12_March_2025
12:01:12 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster
12:01:19 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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12:04:57 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:05:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:06:32 <kaz> present+ Mahmood_Afshari
12:07:06 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:07:32 <kaz> topic: Guests, IEs
12:07:53 <kaz> mm: Mahmood submitted an IE application, and is a guest today
12:08:11 <kaz> ma: would give my presentation next time
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12:08:36 <kaz> mm: verbal introduction within 5mins
12:08:45 <kaz> ma: (gives self intro)
12:08:55 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:10:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:11:45 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:11:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html Mar-5
12:12:04 <kaz> mm: (goes through the minutes)
12:12:25 <kaz> ... any problems?
12:12:27 <kaz> (none)
12:12:41 <kaz> approved
12:13:05 <kaz> topic: Quick Items
12:13:21 <kaz> mm: please be aware of the DST changes
12:13:47 <kaz> ... US DST and EU Summertime are not synchronized
12:14:04 <kaz> ... suggest you use the Calendar system to manage the time
12:14:17 <kaz> ... anything else?
12:14:19 <kaz> (none)
12:14:24 <kaz> topic: Notices
12:14:52 <kaz> mm: WoT promotion by the WoT CG?
12:14:56 <kaz> ek: mentioned last week
12:15:16 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/discussions wot-cg discussions on GitHub
12:15:38 <kaz> ek: (goes through the list)
12:16:15 <kaz> ... there was feedback
12:16:29 <kaz> mm: stakeholders list is confusing
12:16:33 <kaz> ... we should clean it up
12:16:46 <kaz> ... this information should go the intro page
12:16:58 <kaz> ek: would update the Web site
12:17:03 <kaz> mm: makes sense
12:17:10 <kaz> q+
12:17:29 <kaz> ... relationship with the Marketing page?
12:17:31 <kaz> ek: not yet
12:18:09 <kaz> kaz: if needed, the WoT Marketing TF can talk about that
12:18:34 <kaz> mm: if the "Web site" means the WoT Marketing page, the Marketing TF should discuss that
12:18:36 <kaz> q-
12:18:57 <kaz> topic: Meetups
12:19:02 <kaz> subtopic: WoT CG
12:19:12 <kaz> mm: don't see the video links yet...
12:19:23 <kaz> ... regarding the upcoming ones
12:19:56 <kaz> s/video links/video links from the past meeting
12:20:05 <kaz> ... will be 1am ADT
12:20:12 <kaz> subtopic: WoT-JP CG
12:20:17 <kaz> miz: no updates
12:20:47 <kaz> mm: if the JP CG has not been working for a while, we should think about how to handle it
12:21:04 <kaz> ... maybe you could give us some plan?
12:21:14 <kaz> miz: don't have any idea at the moment
12:21:35 <kaz> mm: why don't you talk with the CG participants about how to proceed?
12:21:57 <kaz> ... anyway, we shouldn't have an inactive group
12:22:01 <kaz> miz: ok
12:22:18 <kaz> mm: will ask you about the conclusion later
12:22:27 <kaz> subtopic: SCIG
12:22:56 <kaz> kaz: GH, resource, meeting@@@
12:23:04 <kaz> mm: can attend it
12:23:09 <kaz> ... on March 17?
12:23:11 <kaz> kaz: right
12:23:47 <kaz> mm: WoT Chairs call will moved on that day
12:23:59 <kaz> subtopic: Cloud-Edge-Client CG
12:24:09 <kaz> mm: still to be coordinated
12:24:15 <kaz> ... stay tuned
12:24:35 <kaz> kaz: talked with Zoltan as well
12:24:45 <kaz> ... they're planning to have a CG call soon
12:25:07 <kaz> mm: need to avoid conflicts
12:25:11 <kaz> topic: Liaisons
12:25:28 <kaz> subtopic: OPC
12:25:33 <kaz> mm: cancelled last week
12:25:39 <kaz> ek: cancelled this week also
12:25:46 <kaz> subtopic: Conexxus
12:26:25 <kaz> de: we still have meeting within the team to get aligned
12:26:34 <kaz> mm: meaning the TD TF?
12:26:43 <kaz> ... we do want to help you
12:26:53 <kaz> ... will leave it to Ege
12:26:59 <kaz> de: make sense?
12:27:02 <kaz> ek: yea
12:27:13 <kaz> s/yea/yes, but need some more guidance/
12:27:24 <kaz> ... how to document the projects, etc.
12:27:36 <kaz> ... where the resources generally belong, etc.
12:27:53 <kaz> ... also domain-based profiles
12:27:57 <kaz> q+
12:28:38 <kaz> de: it's the gap between what we've been implementing and standards
12:28:45 <kaz> ... what would be the best way to do that
12:29:19 <kaz> q-
12:29:24 <kaz> kaz: several problems here
12:29:33 <kaz> ... TD topics to be discussed during TD calls
12:29:46 <kaz> ... Profile topics o be discussed during Profile calls
12:29:52 <kaz> mm: right
12:29:59 <kaz> ... also related to liaison topics
12:30:07 <kaz> ... need a list of topics
12:30:25 <kaz> ... documentation, liaison, spec gaps, ...
12:30:35 <mjk> q?
12:30:56 <kaz> ... at the first step, we should understand what is missing
12:31:38 <kaz> de: maybe the Binding TF could help us?
12:31:55 <kaz> mm: yeah, the Profile TF has not been active for a while
12:32:06 <kaz> ... Binding TF may be able to help you
12:32:31 <kaz> de: it is non-application specific issue
12:32:45 <kaz> q+
12:32:57 <EgeKorkan> q+
12:33:04 <kaz> mm: we need to clarify what the core issue is like
12:33:15 <kaz> de: need to make sure for the direction
12:33:54 <kaz> q=
12:33:55 <kaz> s/q=//
12:34:11 <kaz> kaz: how/when to discuss that?
12:34:15 <kaz> ... a separate call?
12:34:25 <kaz> mm: a separate call is fine
12:34:33 <kaz> ... maybe with a smaller group
12:34:54 <kaz> ek: note that next week, the main call and the TD Slot 1 call will be cancelled
12:35:33 <kaz> ... but we can have some informal chat on 19th or 20th
12:35:48 <kaz> de: can make it
12:36:01 <EgeKorkan> and also the zoom link
12:36:19 <kaz> mm: suggest you send the calendar invite including the zoom coordinate to David
12:36:36 <kaz> q?
12:37:29 <kaz> [ We'll have informal discussion about Conexxus liaison on March 19 at the TD Slot 1 time. ]
12:37:31 <kaz> q-
12:37:33 <kaz> ack e
12:37:40 <kaz> mm: it's 10am Eastern
12:37:56 <kaz> subtopic: ETSI ISG CIM
12:38:02 <kaz> mm: met with the ETSI guys
12:38:27 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/10-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Mar-10 minutes
12:38:38 <kaz> mm: had discussion about possible use cases
12:38:56 <kaz> q+
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12:39:36 <kaz> ... getting closer to understand mutually
12:39:37 <kaz> q-
12:39:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:40:09 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/pull/14
12:40:59 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/issues/15
12:41:05 <kaz> topic: Schedule
12:41:24 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and Cancellations
12:41:29 <kaz> mm: (goes through the list)
12:41:51 <kaz> ... next week, we'll cancel the main call
12:42:08 <kaz> ... informal discussion about Conexxus liaison during the TD Slot 1 call
12:42:47 <kaz> ek: and then informal discussion about tooling, etc., during the TD Slot 2 call on March 20
12:42:57 <kaz> s/1 call/1 call on March 19/
12:43:25 <kaz> mm: what about the Use Cases call?
12:43:45 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:43:54 <kaz> miz: not cancelled
12:44:12 <kaz> ... regarding April 16, won't be available
12:44:14 <kaz> mm: ok
12:44:36 <kaz> ... will go through the W3C Calendar also
12:45:11 <kaz> topic: Policies
12:45:30 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/Policy Policy issues
12:45:47 <kaz> mm: we're not really following our own policy policy...
12:46:11 <kaz> mjk: need to update it
12:46:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/policies/policy-adoption.md Policy-adoption policy
12:46:51 <kaz> mm: (quickly skim the policy adoption policy)
12:47:16 <kaz> ... simple answer for the update could be removing the extra part
12:47:21 <kaz> ek: +1
12:48:01 <McCool> proposal: Delete the policy-adoption policy at https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/policies/policy-adoption.md
12:48:07 <kaz> q+
12:48:40 <kaz> q-
12:48:57 <kaz> kaz: important policies still should be reviewed during the main call
12:49:14 <kaz> ... so would suggest not delete all of them but make it simpler
12:49:17 <kaz> mm: right
12:49:19 <mjk> q?
12:49:24 <McCool> proposal: Modify the policy-adoption policy at https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/policies/policy-adoption.md to follow a simple PR-review-resolution-merge process.
12:50:10 <McCool> resolution: Modify the policy-adoption policy at https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/policies/policy-adoption.md to follow a simple PR-review-resolution-merge process.
12:50:33 <kaz> subtopic: Moderator policy
12:50:39 <kaz> mm: still need a concrete PR
12:51:01 <kaz> ... let's discuss that during the next WoT Chairs call on Mar 17
12:51:20 <kaz> q+
12:51:31 <kaz> q-
12:51:44 <kaz> mm: some more remaining issues to be moved to the UC repo
12:51:56 <kaz> topic: TF Leads
12:52:24 <kaz> mm: we need moderators and co-moderators for some of the TFs
12:52:44 <kaz> ... how to pick them and remove them to be discussed
12:52:53 <kaz> ... to be documented
12:53:33 <kaz> ... some of the TFs may need a second moderator also
12:54:15 <kaz> ... Use Cases, Security, Discovery and Architecture
12:54:47 <kaz> topic: TF Reports
12:54:55 <kaz> subtopic: Marketing
12:54:56 <EgeKorkan> q+
12:55:13 <kaz> ek: sent an email to the WoT Chairs list about the WoT logo
12:55:52 <kaz> ... (shows several possible variations of the WoT logos)
12:56:21 <kaz> ... dark black background, blue background, etc.
12:56:43 <kaz> ... would it be OK to have this kind of alternative logos?
12:57:13 <kaz> ... (for slides which have darker background)
12:57:40 <kaz> mm: link for that?
12:57:43 <sebastian> q+
12:57:53 <kaz> ek: can send this to the Member list
12:57:53 <kaz> q+
12:57:54 <kaz> mm: ok
12:58:00 <sebastian> q-
12:58:01 <kaz> ... then make a resolution next time
12:58:06 <kaz> q- e
12:58:40 <kaz> ack k
12:59:05 <kaz> kaz: after making decision on our own preference, we should get back to the W3C MarComm Team
12:59:20 <kaz> [adjourned]
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