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14:02:05 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
14:02:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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14:02:19 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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14:02:31 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:02:55 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:02:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:03:16 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
14:03:24 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
14:04:29 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
14:04:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:05:53 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#March_5-6%2C_2025
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14:11:56 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:12:20 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
14:12:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:13:03 <mjk> scribenick: mjk
14:15:15 <kaz> q+
14:15:20 <mjk> topic: JSON schema validator
14:15:56 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080
14:16:12 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2088 PR 2088 - Test PR on JSON Schema #2088
14:16:23 <mjk> topic: Registry entry dependencies
14:16:25 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/401
14:16:40 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2080 PR 2080 - fix: align JSON Schema with JSON-LD @context format|
14:16:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:17:07 <mjk> ege: issue #wot-td
14:17:19 <kaz> s/topic: JSON/topic: Some updates on JSON/
14:17:20 <mjk> s/wot-td/401
14:17:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:17:57 <mjk> ege: what happens when >1 binding uses another binding, e.g. CoAP
14:18:06 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/401|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/401 Binding Issue 401 - Handling Bindings that depend on other bindings|
14:18:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:18:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:18:29 <mjk> ... the general idea is that we should not override the shared binding
14:20:08 <cris> q+
14:20:14 <EgeKorkan> ack k
14:20:14 <kaz> q-
14:20:56 <JKRhb> q+
14:21:49 <mjk> cris: agreed, we should not allow a user of a binding to override. If extension is needed in the depended binding, it should be collaboratively extended
14:22:05 <mjk> jan: there could also be a dependency chain
14:22:30 <mjk> ... could there be multiple dependencies?
14:22:46 <mjk> ege: for example, XML-RPC and HTTP
14:23:03 <mjk> ... what about the terminology, dependee
14:23:27 <mjk> jan: can't think of anything much better
14:23:53 <mjk> ege: marking as PR needed
14:24:17 <kaz> q?
14:24:20 <EgeKorkan> ack c
14:24:21 <EgeKorkan> ack j
14:24:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:24:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:24:51 <mjk> topic: Issue #404, required machine readable documents
14:24:52 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/404
14:25:17 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/404|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/404 Binding Issue 404 - Required Machine Readable Documents for Registry Entries|
14:25:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:25:55 <mjk> ege: proposal to require a JSON Schema to validate the form
14:26:56 <mjk> ... Ontologies and other diagrams are recommended but optional. If provided, they are required to be reviewed
14:27:09 <cris> q+
14:27:23 <mjk> ... all documents must be listed in the summary
14:27:56 <mjk> cris: we need to keep in mind that there could be required items beyond the form
14:28:13 <mjk> ... we should generalize the text for required elements
14:28:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:28:52 <mjk> ege: (makes changes)
14:29:19 <mjk> cris: if new terns are defined, will a context be required?
14:29:45 <mjk> ege: as long as URLs resolve there will be no errors
14:30:05 <mjk> cris: there would be no JSON-LD expansion of terms, seems broken
14:30:36 <mjk> ege: we could require a context for new terms
14:31:07 <mjk> cris: node-wot would work, for example
14:31:07 <JKRhb> q+
14:31:37 <mjk> ege: we are strongly recommending the context
14:33:06 <mjk> ege: (shares MQTT example for review)
14:33:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:33:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:34:06 <mjk> ege: it seems not to be a big issue
14:34:46 <mjk> cris: there could be issues in downstream processing
14:35:08 <mjk> ... maybe we could provide a warning
14:35:39 <mjk> ... We don't have a lot of test cases in the user base
14:36:08 <mjk> ege: the core ontology is being used by people as RDF
14:36:24 <mjk> ... it's a small user base
14:36:55 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:37:01 <EgeKorkan> ack c
14:37:37 <mjk> jan: should the submission include a well-known prefix to mitigate the JSON-LD issue?
14:38:10 <EgeKorkan> ack j
14:38:17 <mjk> ege: adding label for PR Needed to issue #404
14:38:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:38:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:38:41 <mjk> ege: assigned to Koster
14:39:09 <mjk> topic: PR #2058, initial connection
14:39:11 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2058/
14:39:29 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2058/|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2058 PR 2058 - Initial Connection Feature Description|
14:39:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:39:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:39:45 <mjk> ege: the problem is that unexpanded document elements are difficult to validate
14:41:57 <mjk> ... added schemas to require expanded elements
14:42:46 <mjk> ... and disallow top level defaults
14:44:01 <mjk> ... to make sure the expansion is complete
14:46:01 <mjk> ... (walks through the schema to review the specific cases)
14:46:53 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/ef6e9b97e015b54e790aca5071bb13f9c2d130c6/proposals/initial-connection/tooling/tds.js tds.js from PR 2058
14:46:58 <mjk> ... there is still one TD that is not being failed when it should
14:48:20 <mjk> ... limited to the security definition
14:48:21 <kaz> q+
14:48:24 <cris> q+
14:48:50 <mjk> ege: validating the expanded TDs makes the most sense
14:49:37 <mjk> kaz: meta-comment, this is a big PR and still being worked on. Could we merge what we have?
14:49:46 <mjk> ege: yes, makes sense
14:49:58 <kaz> q-
14:50:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:50:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:50:08 <mjk> cris: looks like the right direction to validate the expanded TD
14:51:00 <mjk> ... it could be very verbose but expanded from a very compact and human readable TD
14:53:13 <mjk> ege: there could be errors in expansion that prevent validation
14:55:16 <mjk> ... (refactoring the JS expansion/validation code)
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14:57:59 <mjk> ege: we agree on the approach of validating the expanded TD
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15:00:06 <EgeKorkan> q?
15:00:51 <EgeKorkan> ack c
15:01:21 <mjk> ege: we can continue to work on the code and adjourn the call
15:01:38 <mjk> ege: adjourned
15:01:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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