12:56:32 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:56:36 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-irc 12:56:38 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:56:43 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 12:57:32 present+ Jan_Romann 12:57:42 JKRhb has joined #wot 12:59:07 rrsagent, make log public 12:59:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:59:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:59:29 mjk has joined #wot 13:00:22 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#5_March_2025 13:00:32 present+ Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster 13:01:29 McCool has joined #wot 13:01:56 present+ Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Toumura 13:02:03 chair: McCool 13:02:07 regrets+ Sebastian 13:02:09 rrsagent, please draft the minutes 13:02:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html JKRhb 13:02:33 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#5_March_2025 13:02:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:04:21 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:04:41 dezell has joined #wot 13:04:44 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:04:51 present+ David_Ezell 13:04:58 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 13:05:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:05:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:05:39 present+ Mahda_Noura 13:05:52 present+ Ege_Korkan 13:05:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:05:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:06:21 mahda has joined #wot 13:06:24 matsuda has joined #wot 13:06:50 present+ Mahda_Noura 13:07:02 rrsagent, please draft the minutes 13:07:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html JKRhb 13:07:37 scribenick: mjk 13:08:08 q+ 13:08:13 topic: guests and IE applications 13:08:53 q- 13:10:02 mm: still waiting for WG application from Luca, the WG has confirmed already 13:10:09 q+ 13:10:27 ... there is another IE application from Mahmood Afshari 13:10:52 kaz: we need some discussion in the chair call 13:10:53 q- 13:11:16 present+ Charith_Perera 13:11:30 mm: we do need people as volunteers 13:11:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:11:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:11:53 s/guests and/Guests and/ 13:11:53 ... we also have a policy for IEs to review later in the agenda 13:12:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:12:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:12:35 topic: minutes review from February 19th 13:13:38 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/02/19-wot-minutes.html Feb-19 13:13:45 Charith has joined #wot 13:14:02 mm: any changes or updates? 13:14:19 ... minutes are approved 13:14:25 topic: Quick Items 13:14:44 subtopic: DST change 13:15:05 mm: Daylight Savings Time is happening next week 13:15:15 dape has joined #wot 13:15:26 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:15:28 ... W3C meetings are based on the US Eastern Time zone 13:15:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:15:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:15:57 ... In Europe and Japan, the local time of the meeting will change 13:16:01 i|Daylight Sa|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2025JanMar/0042.html MarComm announcement (Member-only)| 13:16:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:16:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:16:12 s/meeting/meetings 13:17:19 topic: Notices 13:17:35 q+ 13:17:36 mm: any notices? 13:18:00 q+ 13:18:25 ... would like to bring up the Deno runtime for node.js 13:18:49 ... a web-compatible version of the nodejs platform 13:19:06 i/would like/subtopic: Deno/ 13:19:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:19:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:19:26 ... lots of webby features and supports typescript out of the box 13:19:43 q? 13:20:01 ack d 13:20:20 dape: Luca tried node-wot and it seems to work 13:21:09 mm: the framework is also more mature now, at version 2 13:21:45 -> https://deno.com Deno site 13:22:03 ege: nodejs is adding features to keep up 13:22:36 q+ 13:23:05 https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/discussions 13:23:30 ege: at the WoT CG there are people looking for resources to help promote WoT 13:23:32 ack e 13:24:21 mm: the explainer should have a list of benefits 13:24:58 kaz: do we want the scripting API team to evaluate Deno? 13:25:14 mm: it's more of a thingweb issue 13:25:41 s/team/TF/ 13:25:48 kaz: the Scripting API TF are discussing the browser environment 13:25:56 topic: meetups 13:26:12 i/meetups/dp: can create an issue for Scripting API about this/ 13:26:19 i/can/scribenick: kaz/ 13:26:23 scribenick: mjk 13:26:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:26:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:26:37 mm: watched the CG video on JSON Schema and AI, it's worth watching 13:26:53 i/watched/subtopic: WoT CG/ 13:28:34 mm: next CG presentation is about Mixed Reality 13:28:51 subtopic: WoT JP CG 13:29:15 mm: anything new in the WoT JP CG? 13:29:23 miz: nothing new 13:30:38 mm: It may be better to combine calls and have a single call, possibly using real time translation 13:30:42 q+ 13:30:49 subtopic: Smart City IG 13:31:05 -> https://github.com/w3c/smart-cities GitHub 13:31:18 kaz: created the github repository to collect resources 13:31:33 s/GitHub/GitHub/Smart City IG's GitHub repo/ 13:31:40 mm: it is an IG and there is a need to officially join 13:32:00 ... people should apply right away because of the delay 13:32:21 ... is there a topic for the next meeting? 13:32:22 q- 13:32:31 kaz: organization and resource collection 13:32:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:32:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:32:50 subtopic: Cloud-Edge-Client CG 13:33:02 mm: working on organization 13:33:03 s|GitHub/Smart|Smart| 13:33:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:33:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:33:12 topic: liaisons 13:33:28 mm: anything new for any of the liaisons? 13:34:03 mm: ETSI CIM met on Monday the 3rd 13:34:30 ... discussed alignment with WoT and need use cases 13:34:33 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/03/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Mar-3 minutes 13:34:48 ... we captured 4 use cases to start with 13:34:50 s/minutes/NGSI-LD liaison minutes/ 13:34:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:34:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:35:52 mm: we have a weekly schedule but will have a break from end of March 13:36:08 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#Agenda Meeting plan on the NGSI-LD liaison wiki 13:36:17 ... we will try to make progress on use cases in March 13:36:35 topic: Schedule 13:36:43 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and Events 13:36:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:36:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:37:17 mm: the cancellations are recorded on the agenda document 13:37:21 q+ 13:38:03 ... there are no cancellations in March or April 13:38:26 q- 13:38:29 kaz: will not be available on March 19th and 20th 13:39:25 mm: Then we will cancel the March 19th main call 13:40:39 mm: Kaz ia also unavailable April 16th, so we will cancel the main call then also 13:40:44 ... any objections? 13:41:02 (none) 13:41:07 topic: Policies 13:41:16 mm: any updates? 13:41:43 mjk: no new updates but I think the IE policy is ready to merge 13:41:58 i|any upda|scribenick: kaz| 13:42:06 i|no new|scribenick: mjk| 13:42:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:42:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:42:33 mm: we need an update to the policy policy, will discuss at the chair call 13:42:43 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 PR 1224 - Create invited-expert.md 13:42:58 mm: anyone object to merging PR #1224? 13:42:58 s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 PR 1224 - Create invited-expert.md|| 13:43:07 i|we need an update|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 PR 1224 - Create invited-expert.md| 13:43:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:43:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:43:31 s/topic: liaisons/topic: Liaisons/ 13:43:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:43:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:44:01 ... last call, any objections? 13:44:25 proposal: Adopt new IE Policy at https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 13:44:53 resolution: Adopt new IE Policy at https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 13:45:01 mm: as an ad-hoc resolution, we have a 2 week period to reconsider 13:45:15 mm: merged 13:45:34 ... any other policy discussion? 13:46:34 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pulls remaining PRs 13:47:31 mm: (moving some other unrelated PRs to UCR) 13:48:13 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1208 Issue 1208 - [Policy Proposal] Managing moderator policy 13:48:39 mm: we still have moderator and versioning policies to work on 13:49:10 i|we still|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1166 Issue 1166 - [Policy Proposal] Versioning Resources| 13:49:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:49:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:49:25 mjk: is there anything to merge on Roles and Responsibilities? 13:49:36 mm: should be added to the policy policy 13:49:58 ... will discuss at the chairs call 13:50:02 q+ 13:50:03 topic: TF reports 13:50:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:50:23 subtopic: TD/Binding 13:50:41 ege: There is an issue on the Binding Template regarding the mandatory ID property 13:50:58 i|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2054 TD Issue 2054 - Reconsider id being optional| 13:51:06 ... issue #2054 13:51:19 s/on the Binding Template/on TD and Binding/ 13:51:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:51:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:51:39 ege: the consensus is that ID should be mandatory 13:51:54 ... and should not be globally unique and permanent 13:52:15 s/i|// 13:52:18 ... we don't require a specific format but provide sensible guidance 13:52:21 s/optional|/optional/ 13:52:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:52:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:52:44 mm: 2 properties are uniqueness and permanance 13:53:25 ... permanence is avoided because of the danger of tracking 13:53:38 q+ 13:53:59 ... but uniqueness may be needed to avoid conflicts 13:54:46 ege: for example, if the device moves and gets a new IP address, there should be a new ID 13:55:44 ... before merging a PR, we would like to get another review from the privacy WG to avoid extra changes and confusion 13:56:09 ack e 13:56:12 mm: any more comments? 13:56:49 kaz: agree that we should start working with the privacy WG 13:57:43 mm: RDF requires a unique ID, so we should keep the discussion on the permanence property 13:57:51 q- 13:58:02 ... any objections? 13:58:42 proposal: TD TF may proceed with plan as discussed in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2054 and in particular https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2054#issuecomment-2669058166 13:59:20 mm: any objections to the resolution? 13:59:22 resolution: TD TF may proceed with plan as discussed in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2054 and in particular https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2054#issuecomment-2669058166 13:59:30 ... resolved 13:59:35 topic: AOB 13:59:57 JKRhb has joined #wot 14:00:08 mm: any other discussion? 14:00:50 kaz: there is no profile meeting this week since there is not an official moderator yet 14:01:02 mm: anything else? 14:01:07 ... adjopurned 14:01:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:01:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:01:46 s/adjop/adjo 15:04:53 JKRhb has joined #wot 15:05:09 mahda has joined #wot 15:05:36 JKRhb has joined #wot 16:08:13 Zakim has left #wot 16:49:57 JKRhb has joined #wot 17:02:45 https://circuitplus.intel.com/contents/39807648 17:21:41 JKRhb has joined #wot 17:53:02 JKRhb has joined #wot 18:09:24 JKRhb has joined #wot 18:24:51 JKRhb has joined #wot 18:51:28 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 18:51:33 JKRhb has joined #wot 19:07:25 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 19:07:54 JKRhb has joined #wot 19:19:56 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 19:23:19 JKRhb has joined #wot 19:37:08 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 19:52:33 JKRhb has joined #wot 19:54:36 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 20:00:07 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 20:05:13 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 20:08:55 JKRhb has joined #wot 20:24:22 JKRhb has joined #wot 20:36:37 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 20:53:25 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 20:53:35 JKRhb has joined #wot 21:09:11 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 21:09:57 JKRhb has joined #wot 21:22:05 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 21:25:23 JKRhb has joined #wot 21:39:10 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 21:54:35 JKRhb has joined #wot 21:55:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:10:56 JKRhb has joined #wot 22:11:02 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:23:01 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:26:23 JKRhb has joined #wot 22:30:00 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:50:55 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 22:55:35 JKRhb has joined #wot 23:08:17 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 23:11:57 JKRhb has joined #wot 23:24:00 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 23:27:29 JKRhb has joined #wot 23:41:38 EgeKorkan has joined #wot 23:55:13 JKRhb has joined #wot 23:58:25 EgeKorkan has joined #wot