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13:50:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 2
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14:02:32 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:02:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:02:47 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
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14:04:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:05:39 <kaz> present+ Kazeem_Oladipupo
14:05:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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14:07:17 <kaz> q+
14:08:34 <kaz> q-
14:08:59 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_27%2C_2025
14:09:08 <EgeKorkan> scribenick: EgeKorka
14:09:10 <EgeKorkan> scribenick: EgeKorkan
14:09:18 <EgeKorkan> topic: Agenda Review
14:09:48 <EgeKorkan> ek: review minutes, then profinet, then registry
14:09:53 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:10:00 <EgeKorkan> ek: any additions to agenda?
14:10:10 <EgeKorkan> topic: Minutes Review
14:10:21 <kaz> i|Minutes|(none)|
14:10:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/02/19-wot-td-minutes.html Feb-19
14:11:45 <EgeKorkan> ek: names should be changed and one link should be moved below
14:11:56 <EgeKorkan> ... any other remarks?
14:13:07 <EgeKorkan> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/02/20-wot-td-minutes.html
14:13:16 <EgeKorkan> ... any remarks on the feb 20 minutes?
14:13:17 <kaz> s/html/html Feb-20/
14:13:25 <EgeKorkan> ek: both minutes are approved
14:13:45 <EgeKorkan> topic: Profinet Binding
14:14:08 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/351
14:14:20 <EgeKorkan> ek: this PR open since a while
14:14:52 <EgeKorkan> ko: I am a PhD student in Siemens. OT IT integration is my focus
14:15:00 <EgeKorkan> ... I focus on protocols like profinet and io link
14:15:12 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:15:15 <EgeKorkan> ... also WoT and AAS on the IT side
14:15:36 <kaz> s/351/351 wot-binding-templates PR 351 - creating a PROFINET binding template file/
14:15:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:48 <EgeKorkan> ... I have created this PR, got feedback from experts
14:16:35 <EgeKorkan> ek: very present in real time protocol space
14:17:20 <EgeKorkan> ... let's look at the last changes
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14:17:35 <EgeKorkan> ko: I have added the recommendations from the reviewers
14:17:50 <EgeKorkan> ... I have fixed some mentions of modbus that were leftover from modbus binding
14:17:54 <EgeKorkan> ... also updated the JSON Schema
14:18:18 <EgeKorkan> https://deploy-preview-351--wot-binding-templates.netlify.app/
14:18:46 <EgeKorkan> ek: ontology is not there yet
14:19:55 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:20:08 <kaz> s|app/|app/ Rendered HTML|
14:20:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:20:36 <EgeKorkan> ko: the terms are also available in the data schema level
14:21:45 <EgeKorkan> ek: I see some small editorial things to change
14:22:13 <EgeKorkan> ek: the example from a real device right?
14:22:32 <cris> q+
14:22:33 <EgeKorkan> ko: yes. it is a power meter from Siemens SI department
14:23:08 <EgeKorkan> ca: can you expand on the mapping concept?
14:23:21 <EgeKorkan> ko: we have buffering parameters
14:23:58 <EgeKorkan> ... they are defined as objects in the affordance level
14:24:31 <EgeKorkan> ... but they should be mapped to specific parts in the buffer sent on the wire
14:24:45 <EgeKorkan> ... so you go through this and map to each buffer part
14:25:13 <EgeKorkan> ca: the content type should be added
14:25:33 <EgeKorkan> ... we can be inspired from this to generalize this concept
14:26:01 <EgeKorkan> ... are there any other content type?
14:26:05 <EgeKorkan> ko: not as far as I know
14:27:23 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:27:24 <EgeKorkan> ack c
14:27:34 <EgeKorkan> ek: I am noting these feedback in the issue
14:28:28 <EgeKorkan> ... once these small things are fixed, the PR can be merged
14:30:38 <EgeKorkan> ek: there are more examples of this like https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1936
14:30:56 <EgeKorkan> ca: we have some support for this in node-wot, but not using any custom keyword
14:31:31 <EgeKorkan> ca: are there any implementations of profinet?
14:31:47 <EgeKorkan> ko: typically, the protocol drivers are products
14:32:24 <EgeKorkan> ek: also the protocol spec is not public
14:32:56 <EgeKorkan> ko: also the device needs to be tested to get the profinet logo
14:35:07 <EgeKorkan> ek: the newer standards from the same SDO are now open. I think more and more will do that
14:36:11 <EgeKorkan> topic: Binding Registry
14:36:16 <EgeKorkan> subtopic: PR 414
14:36:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:36:57 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/414
14:37:19 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:37:49 <kaz> s/414/414 wot-binding-templates PR 414 - Requiring implementation experience for bindings/
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14:38:19 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/403 Related Issue 403 - Stable/Current Status Requirements
14:38:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:38:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:38:41 <EgeKorkan> ek: (summarizes the PR's context)
14:38:59 <EgeKorkan> ca: I have taken that proposal and added some ideas of mine too
14:39:03 <EgeKorkan> ... we can discuss the comments
14:39:43 <EgeKorkan> ... there are some gaps in the document. We should work on it more later on
14:40:04 <EgeKorkan> ... I have tried to explain each bullet point with more text as well
14:40:14 <EgeKorkan> ... we should give proof that the binding is implementable
14:40:54 <EgeKorkan> ... we want to have testing events but also track these events. That way we have concrete proof about communication between devices
14:41:21 <EgeKorkan> ... the events can be organized in a flexible way
14:41:35 <EgeKorkan> ... we have to agree on how the test report should look like and how the events are structured
14:44:25 <EgeKorkan> ... the submitter is free to specify where the implementation experience is collected
14:45:28 <EgeKorkan> ek: the rest of my comments are fine
14:46:37 <mjk> q?
14:47:38 <EgeKorkan> ek: so the test report should be public but the resources may not be
14:47:48 <EgeKorkan> ca: ok then we need more structure?
14:48:10 <EgeKorkan> ek: I think we should define a template for that test report
14:49:26 <EgeKorkan> ca: should we be strict on the test report format?
14:49:42 <EgeKorkan> ek: maybe. requiring markdown is fine but it may have issues with tables etc.
14:50:10 <EgeKorkan> q?
14:53:19 <kaz> q+
14:53:38 <EgeKorkan> ca: the gap on the test report is there because the submission starts without it
14:53:48 <EgeKorkan> ca: I have the point about the transition
14:54:11 <EgeKorkan> ek: I think it is fine that the custodian makes the call about the transition
14:54:50 <EgeKorkan> kaz: this discussion is important but this can imply that we define something like "Candidate Recommendation"
14:55:09 <EgeKorkan> ... technically it is fine but we should be careful about the process
14:55:21 <EgeKorkan> ... maybe we can copy some part of the candidate recommendation process
14:55:52 <EgeKorkan> ... it can be a lot of work too
14:56:00 <EgeKorkan> ek: so using some parts of the W3C Process?
14:56:08 <EgeKorkan> kaz: yes. We can look into it
14:56:45 <EgeKorkan> ek: we are kind of implying that right
14:57:32 <EgeKorkan> kaz: do we make a "call for implementation"
14:57:33 <EgeKorkan> ek: yes
14:57:51 <kaz> s/tion"/tion"?/
14:57:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:58:28 <EgeKorkan> ek: any objections to the general direction?
14:59:36 <EgeKorkan> ek: (adds decisions to the comment)
14:59:47 <EgeKorkan> ek: AOB?
15:00:09 <kaz> (none)
15:00:39 <kaz> [adjourned]
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