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14:39:46 agenda+ Revisit approval process 14:39:48 agenda+ Transcripts in accessibility tree 14:39:51 agenda+ Transition states 14:39:53 agenda+ Biases in ACT rules 14:39:56 agenda+ -> Complex expectation logic in rules https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/548 14:39:58 agenda+ -> Implementation policy https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act-rules/issues/107 14:40:01 agenda+ Technical complexity of rules 14:40:04 agenda+ Should -> inapplicable example 3, 5 & 6 fail https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/ucwvc8/proposed/ ? 14:40:07 agenda+ Linters as ACT implementations 14:40:09 agenda+ Add implementations definition to rules format 14:40:12 agenda+ Should "advisory" rules have additional indicators that the rule is advisory 14:40:15 agenda+ ACT promotion page(s) 14:40:17 agenda+ Machine learning and ACT Rules 14:40:20 agenda+ Can the applicability section include rules (some SCs have "except")? 14:40:23 agenda+ Daniel: April 16th -- 21st 14:40:25 agenda+ Kathy: Feb 24 and 27 14:40:27 agenda+ Wilco: 14:40:30 agenda+ This page was last edited on 27 February 2025, at 14:37. 14:40:32 agenda+ -> Privacy policy https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Accessibility_Conformance_Testing:Privacy_policy 14:40:36 agenda+ -> About Accessibility Conformance Testing https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Accessibility_Conformance_Testing:About 14:40:39 agenda+ -> Disclaimers https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Accessibility_Conformance_Testing:General_disclaimer 14:40:42 agenda+ -> Powered by MediaWiki https://www.mediawiki.org/ 14:40:45 agenda+ Toggle limited content width 14:40:45 zakim, clear agenda 14:40:46 agenda cleared 14:50:53 agenda+ Addressing I18N Horizontal Review Group feedback 14:50:53 agenda+ -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/584 Determine if a rule identifier is unique 14:50:54 agenda+ -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/585/ Add assumption that text has metadata specifying its language and writing direction 14:50:54 agenda+ -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/586/ Reinforce that ACT Rules are localizable 14:50:54 agenda+ -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-act/2025Feb/0002.html Suggestions for rules to be sent for AGWG approval link focused 14:50:55 agenda+ Working session 14:52:49 zakim, agendum 3 is agenda+ -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-act/2025Feb/0002.html Suggestions for rules to be sent for AGWG approval 14:52:49 I don't understand you, Daniel 14:53:04 Kathy has joined #wcag-act 14:53:23 zakim, start meeting 14:53:23 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:53:25 Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference 14:53:32 agenda? 14:54:47 zakim, agendum 3 = -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-act/2025Feb/0002.html Suggestions for rules to be sent for AGWG approval 14:54:47 agendum 3 replaced 14:56:58 Sage has joined #wcag-act 15:02:04 Helen has joined #wcag-act 15:02:33 todd has joined #wcag-act 15:02:41 present+ 15:03:10 zakim, start meeting 15:03:10 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:03:12 Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference 15:03:18 present+ 15:03:18 present+ 15:03:24 scribe+ 15:03:28 present+ 15:04:20 present+ 15:04:48 zakim, take up next 15:04:48 agendum 1 -- Addressing I18N Horizontal Review Group feedback -- taken up [from Daniel] 15:05:02 Kathy: This is a Daniel topic 15:05:40 Daniel: For the ACT 1.1 format to be recommended we have a horizontal review and the localisation group have provided feedback we are actioning 15:06:05 ... we need to work out or include some clarification in 3 pull requests (PR) 15:06:08 zakim, take up next 15:06:08 agendum 2 -- -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/584 Determine if a rule identifier is unique -- taken up [from Daniel] 15:07:32 Daniel: This one is about how we can determine if an identifier is unique, and they explained how this can be done. Kathy made some suggestions and I actioned them just before the call 15:08:46 Kathy: I have a question about the process, like when I had to create a new rule, I used a randomised generator but how can we tell it is unique? 15:08:58 Helen: You can do a quick search 15:09:20 Daniel: No Kathy wanted to know if there is a way for the automation to check though? 15:09:28 Kathy: Can we add it? 15:10:31 Daniel: They also asked if upper or lower case has a difference? So as we use lower case only this is less of an issue 15:11:01 ... any other suggestions to the PR? 15:11:54 Kathy: Are we recommending that the IDs are lower case only? Or letting people decide? 15:12:23 Daniel: Yes, Wilco felt it should be this way as easier 15:13:16 Kathy: We do not have a limitation of length implemented? 15:13:37 Daniel: No- there are none yet until Helen makes a long one to prove a point! 15:13:51 zakim, take up next 15:13:51 agendum 3 -- -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-act/2025Feb/0002.html Suggestions for rules to be sent for AGWG approval -- taken up 15:14:43 zakim, take up item 4 15:14:44 agendum 4 -- -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/586/ Reinforce that ACT Rules are localizable -- taken up [from Daniel] 15:16:28 Daniel: The format we use to write the rules must be localisable, so the markdown we use is able to be translated 15:17:16 ... We will be more explicit to incorporate this 15:17:51 Kathy: I added a comment on this? 15:18:16 Daniel: I added a reply but you cannot see it as I started a review so you won't see it yet 15:18:53 Kathy: Ok we need to add the term "Localisation" (that is Localization if US spellings are used) to our glossary 15:19:33 Daniel: That is a valid point - and we must use US spellings so a Z is used 15:20:30 https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-i18n -> I18n page with explanations about localization versus internationalization 15:21:15 Daniel: I added a link we can use for our glossary as this is from 2005, we need to check it is still valid# 15:22:34 Topic: -> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/585/ Add assumption that text has metadata specifying its language and writing direction 15:22:39 ... I assume the group agrees with this and we will merge it 15:24:16 Daniel: They were confused that meeting WCAG does the assumption means the text has metadata specifying the language and writing direction? 15:24:47 ... we are already using it so we are fulfilling it and no comments from Kathy 15:25:36 Kathy: Where it says it assumes the text has metadata, so they mean document? 15:26:47 Daniel: Yes it is not the format you are using, but this is something done in the metadata - can you add a comment? 15:27:36 Kathy: I will add a suggestion to use the rule document that will specify this to be actioned 15:28:17 Daniel: Maybe we should say rule not just rule document 15:29:19 ... any other comments? 15:29:36 Helen + Sage + Shunguo - looks good 15:29:52 +1 also 15:30:41 proposed resolution: The group agrees to propose these three changes to the i18n working group 15:31:04 RESOLUTION: The group agrees to propose these three changes to the i18n working group 15:31:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:31:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-wcag-act-minutes.html Daniel 15:31:31 +1 to everything looking good