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14:43:52 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:44:02 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b7edae68-f52c-4aab-a1a6-3c37459e0786/20250227T150000/
14:44:02 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:44:02 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:44:02 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:44:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:44:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Radar Review
14:44:07 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:44:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:44:11 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:44:53 <addison> agenda+ [string-search] Sequences with variation selectors
14:56:47 <addison> present+ Addison
14:56:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:02:38 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Bert, JcK, Fuqiao
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15:03:23 <addison> present+ Richard
15:03:58 <Bert> scribe+
15:04:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:02 <addison> agenda?
15:04:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:04:29 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:36 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
15:04:41 <addison> #159
15:04:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/159 -> Action 159  write up proposal for specdev char-string section, adding material that deals with the encoding interface et al (on aphillips) due 2025-02-27
15:04:57 <Bert> addison: Started, not tready
15:05:00 <addison> #158
15:05:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/158 -> Action 158  research activity 1971 (html 10896) about ruby bidi isolation with jltf (on himorin) due 2025-02-27
15:05:54 <Bert> atsushi: not discussed yet. But ruby should be isolated.
15:06:00 <addison> #157
15:06:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157 -> Action 157  write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20
15:06:10 <Bert> addison: Not finished
15:06:12 <addison> #142
15:06:12 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/142 -> Action 142 check if we can publish the new version of jlreq (on himorin) due 2024-11-21
15:06:29 <Bert> atsushi: Still discussing with r12a
15:06:40 <Bert> ... about changes section.
15:07:03 <Bert> ... Development of the Rec
15:07:13 <Bert> ... most of the history disappeared
15:07:33 <Bert> ... I worry about if we break the names of the orgs that contributed.
15:08:15 <Bert> .. most of the active contributors in the editors list, but not sure I have their @@
15:08:51 <Bert> ... Merge them into... may have missing items
15:09:11 <Bert> ... I would keep the affiliations, but not correct them.
15:09:33 <Bert> r12a: I'm looking for the pull request...
15:09:37 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/pull/453
15:09:38 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/pull/453 -> Pull Request 453 Turning editors into contributor section (by himorin)
15:10:02 <Bert> ... I think you are over-complicating what I was thinking about.
15:10:16 <Bert> .. Currently jlreq lists neams and affiliations (or IE).
15:10:33 <Bert> ... In the new proposal the same list, but split in two.
15:10:46 <xfq> s/neams/names/
15:10:52 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:11:01 <Bert> ... I proposed you put the affiliation s at the time in brackets after the name.
15:11:39 <Bert> atsushi: Let me revert to the original list then
15:11:58 <Bert> r12a shows his screen.
15:12:31 <Bert> r12a: I propose you put parentheses after the names with the affikliations when they worked on the doc.
15:12:57 <addison> #135
15:12:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
15:12:58 <Bert> s/affikliations/affiliations
15:13:05 <Bert> addison: not yet
15:13:05 <addison> #127
15:13:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
15:13:11 <Bert> addison: pending
15:13:14 <addison> #89
15:13:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
15:13:21 <addison> #33
15:13:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:13:36 <Bert> addison: Did some clean up
15:13:36 <addison> #7
15:13:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
15:13:44 <addison> #4
15:13:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
15:13:52 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:13:53 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:14:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:14:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Radar Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:14:22 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
15:14:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:14:49 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:14:49 <Bert> addison: I've seen no new items.
15:14:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:15:14 <addison> i18n-activity#1990
15:15:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1990 -> Issue 1990 Add localization support for GPUCompilationMessage.message and GPUError.message (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:webgpu] [Agenda+]
15:15:31 <Bert> s/addison: I've seen no new items.//
15:16:20 <Bert> addison: They put in a note. I'm going back in to see if any of our strategies applies.
15:16:27 <atsushi> +1
15:16:34 <Bert> ... Do we need to chnage the label from tracker to needs-resolutiion?
15:16:38 <Bert> xfq: Yes, I think so
15:17:23 <Bert> r12a: When we remove pending labels, we should add @@ label
15:17:35 <addison> s/@@/t:
15:17:44 <Bert> ... and maybe language-specific labels as well.
15:17:59 <Bert> addison: Agreed
15:18:07 <addison> agenda?
15:18:38 <Bert> r12a: Look through specdev and find the related section, The OD of that secrtion gives you the label
15:18:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:18:42 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [string-search] Sequences with variation selectors -- taken up [from addison]
15:18:44 <Bert> s/OD/ID/
15:19:10 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/string-search/pull/24
15:19:10 <r12a> s/secrtion/section/
15:19:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/string-search/pull/24 -> Pull Request 24 Sequences with variation selectors (by xfq)
15:19:17 <xfq> https://deploy-preview-24--w3c-string-search.netlify.app/#variation-selectors
15:20:15 <Bert> xfq: We discussed this once before and I made some chnages. Added a table with examples. Changed the secrtion name to mention variation selectors.
15:20:30 <Bert> ... Not only applies to ideographs.
15:21:02 <Bert> addison: Might want to include a search term in example 5 that includes a variation selector
15:21:15 <Bert> xfq: Add a new row?
15:21:18 <Bert> addison: Yes
15:21:39 <Bert> r12a: If you have more than one row, the contents need to tbe aligned at the top
15:21:55 <Bert> ... To make it clearer
15:22:08 <Bert> ... Our default table style probably doesn't do that.
15:22:44 <Bert> addison: Can also break up separate cells
15:23:06 <Bert> ... match/doesn't match checkbox-y thing
15:23:20 <Bert> xfq: I'll try to tweak it
15:23:33 <Bert> r12a: In that case merge the 3 cells on the left
15:23:43 <Bert> addison: Otherwise looks good
15:24:03 <Bert> ... DO we want to say thing about other language variation selectors?
15:24:25 <Bert> r12a: May want to say that other languages have variation selectors.
15:25:00 <Bert> ... Example is perhaps not explicit enough.
15:25:05 <Bert> xfq: I'll add that.
15:26:15 <Bert> r12a: Some change to specdev is needed for scripts that keep conjuncts together.
15:26:39 <Bert> ... Not sure it is significant for this document.
15:26:54 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#characters
15:26:59 <Bert> addison: There is a note in section 4 in specdev
15:27:09 <Bert> ... green box
15:28:04 <Bert> r12a: I have an example for Balinese
15:28:28 <Bert> addison: I'll look it up.
15:28:34 <xfq> s/secrtion/section/
15:28:35 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/bali/ban.html
15:28:40 <Bert> ... Would you like to work on this section?
15:28:51 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/bali/ban_vocab.html
15:28:51 <Bert> ... Or in a month?
15:29:12 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/bali/ban_vocab.html?q=%E1%AD%84
15:29:26 <addison> action: addison: review graphemes in specdev and add balinese example and otherwise fix the text
15:29:34 <gb> Created -> action #160 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/160
15:30:00 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/bali/ban_vocab.html?q=%E1%AD%84%E2%92%B8
15:31:28 <Bert> r12a: If you clikc on the green term, you'll get a breakdown of the grapheme clusters.
15:32:01 <Bert> addison: What is the issue with "user-perceived character" in Unicode?
15:32:21 <Bert> r12a: They are not necesarily perceived as a character by the user.
15:32:31 <Bert> ... "Typographic unit" may be better.
15:33:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:33:19 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:33:43 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/typography/issues/88
15:33:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/typography/issues/88 -> Issue 88 Use title case? (by xfq)
15:34:14 <Bert> xfq: I propsoe we use title case for @@, too.
15:34:21 <Bert> ... I have a pull request for that
15:34:24 <r12a> s/If you clikc on the green term, you'll get a breakdown of the grapheme clusters./If you clikc on the green term, you'll get a breakdown of the combining character sequences. If you click on the green button at the bottom of the list you'll get the grapheme clusters.
15:34:56 <Bert> ... I don't thing we have guidelines for that in W3C.
15:36:06 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/typography/
15:36:09 <Bert> r12a: The docs that use titlecase use it only on H1, don't they?
15:36:44 <Bert> addison: In the doc ^^, the auto-generated titles use titlecase.
15:37:19 <Bert> ... I'm used to seeing titlecase all the time. When I edit, I usually use it.
15:37:33 <Bert> r12a: I tend to use downcase section headings.
15:38:13 <Bert> You can see whether addison or r12a edited by looking at the uppercase. :-)
15:38:38 <Bert> xfq: This issue is specifically about the document title, not the section titles.
15:39:01 <Bert> addison: Not sure it matters.
15:39:11 <Bert> r12a: Happy to uset titlecas eon the docum,nt title.
15:39:51 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:39:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:39:59 <Bert> No objections to titlecase for the document title. xfq will merge the PR
15:40:49 <addison> s/uset titlecas eon the docum,nt/use titlecase on the document/
15:40:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/27-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:41:13 <addison> zakim, bye
15:41:13 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Bert, JcK, Fuqiao, Richard
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