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16:02:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
16:02:40 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
16:02:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
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16:03:11 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke
16:03:27 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/66591f6b-6694-4f90-b23d-bf8f1b9dda8a/20250226T110000/
16:03:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ Patrick_H_Lauke
16:03:42 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ adettenb
16:03:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ mustaq
16:04:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ flackr
16:04:24 <Patrick_H_Lauke> regrets+ smaug
16:04:45 <adettenb> + https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/516
16:04:45 <adettenb> (for scoping `handwriting` to scrollable vs document)
16:05:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: v3-blocking issues https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3Av3-blocking
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16:06:17 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: so only one actually left https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/504
16:06:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: I forgot about this one, but will send a PR in the next few days
16:06:48 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: mustaq to address #504
16:07:07 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 #445 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445
16:07:34 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: not looking bad - here's the last remaining ones https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=label%3Aneeds-wpt+
16:09:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: one has v3-blocking, one has v3, what's difference?
16:09:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: those labels are left over from when we did the actual PRs. don't see "blocking" on WPT ones as meaning we can't go to v3 without the tests, but would be good to get full coverage soon
16:09:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: obviously ignore the one with "future" as that's not immediately relevant for v3
16:11:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: i can take a look at #534 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/534
16:11:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: that leaves us with https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/513 and https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/509
16:12:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: do those look ... doable? need some discussion?
16:12:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: for #513 is looks like there hasn't been an event, and they'd like it to be 0 or 1?
16:14:01 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: if you look at the pull request ...
16:14:19 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: at high level it's about testing button on a click
16:14:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: I can take a look at that one
16:14:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: there's a test "click is a pointer event", that should have something, but might not test all properties
16:15:01 <mustaq> pointerevent_click_is_a_pointerevent.html
16:15:34 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: I might see if Olli can take care of #509 as he's been chatting with Masayuki about it
16:16:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: WPT work - mustaq to look at #534, adettenb to look at #513, smaug to look at #509
16:16:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: scoping `handwriting` to scrollable vs document  https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/516
16:18:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: I wanted to understand more about scoping the attribute in certain contexts. wasn't sure if the approach taken in the PR (similar to pan) is appropriate? wonder why it should be scope to a scollable rather than higher level like document
16:19:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: scoped possibly not quite right... getting reenabled. decided to do this for scrolling - is handwriting different? maybe...
16:20:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: one of the nice things: if we did this, addresses Patrick's concern that more likely for legacy content you'll get the expected behaviour (as no sites have opted in for handwriting anywhere at this point, and it would be suppressed in all cases until authors actively enable it)
16:20:20 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: less of a compat risk
16:20:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: i think though probably innerdocuments should get it reenabled
16:21:04 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: like iframes? yes. they would be considered scrollables though right?
16:21:22 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: would need special case. currently it reenables panning because they're scrollable though, yes
16:21:51 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: for iframe ... would it be possible to be disabled from outside of iframe? top level body vs on iframe itself, for instance?
16:22:32 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: not tested what happens in these scenarios with panning, so not sure if this would affect suggested enabling of handwriting
16:22:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: there *are* better ways to prevent things happening on inner documents
16:23:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: not clear though. outer document *could* disable inner document, but outer document still wouldn't see the events to do anything useful with them
16:24:54 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: does that answer your concerns so far?
16:25:09 <Patrick_H_Lauke> adettenb: yes, makes the rationale a bit clearer. will be good once we get some metrics
16:25:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: AOB
16:25:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: i went through and updated v3 https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerevents3/
16:26:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: cherry-picking any changes we made on gh-pages that were still relevant for v3
16:26:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: for the curious https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
16:26:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: it's the ones i tagged as port-to-v3
16:28:01 <mustaq> Interop 2025 Pointer/Mouse events:
16:28:02 <mustaq> https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=master&label=experimental&aligned&view=interop&q=label%3Ainterop-2023-events
16:28:36 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: also updated acknowledgements and revision history, so think v3 is now as ready as it can be
16:30:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: I will see about finally getting v3 onto the proper REC track now that we've weeded out the last remaining gnarly edge-case things we wanted to tackle for this version. Thanks as ever to everybody, we'll catch up again in 2 weeks' time
16:31:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
16:31:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:31:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/26-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke
16:37:39 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, bye
16:37:39 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2025/02/26-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
16:37:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mustaq to address #504 [1]
16:37:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2025/02/26-pointerevents-irc#T16-06-48
16:37:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: WPT work - mustaq to look at #534, adettenb to look at #513, smaug to look at #509 [2]
16:37:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2025/02/26-pointerevents-irc#T16-16-10