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15:00:17 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
15:00:24 <janina> Meething: WAI-Adapt Weekly Teleconference
15:00:34 <janina> date 17 Feb 2025
15:00:40 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
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15:06:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:07:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Introductions, Administratrivia
15:07:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
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15:07:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We are not meeting March 4th
15:08:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/18-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:08:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
15:08:15 <Zakim> Present: janina, Russell, Abhinav, Lionel_Wolberger
15:08:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, Abhinav, Annalu, Russell, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, Roy_Ruoxi
15:08:26 <Annalu> presemt+
15:08:42 <Annalu> present+
15:08:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Proposal for session on Well Known Destinations
15:09:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Thanks, Abhinav for submitting the draft.
15:13:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: (read the draft)
15:13:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: A lot of the needed concepts is in there.
15:14:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I'd like to see more of "Predictable; Predictable keywords, predictable results
15:14:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and the idea that we will be proposing reserved words for this
15:20:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Symbols
15:24:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I am setting meetings for Zero Project, re: symbols. What should be my focus?
15:24:51 <Annalu> d.banes@dateurope.com
15:26:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We can use people's 'roladex'
15:26:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We'd like her thoughts on supporting other people's symbol sets
15:26:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:26:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/18-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:28:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: I see significant limits on the use of unicode
15:28:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: People at ZP meeting can help us make this argument
15:29:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: I am very interested in the increased visibility that we gain, whether it's Unicode or Bliss
15:29:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I am concerned about when the Symbol set is seen as identical to a language, and Bliss is more of a language
15:30:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: It's not Bliss vs unicode. If Bliss were mapped to unicode by a single character per symbol, the problem would be largely gone
15:30:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but the issue of a symbol that is not reference by the lookup-code-points remains
15:33:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... let's call the missing symbols, the 'expansion problem' -- that problem remains, unless we define a static, basic set for 90% of cases
15:34:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: Consider Basic English. 100 words that were selected and have a very broad power of representation
15:36:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we may benefit best from a high level discussion, how to do the minimum for maximum benefit
15:36:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Take the perspective of a symbol set provider. Procedure: take the list of code points, and create a font with your symbols, one for each code point
15:36:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... This is likely a compelling and simple proposition
15:37:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the problem is that Bliss does not map all code points.
15:45:31 <janina> q+
15:47:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Revisiting the use case- people are decorating sentences with selected pictograms (they tend to be emojis today)
15:47:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... WAI-Adapt is meant to allow these pictograms to be rendered in the end-user's vocabulary
15:47:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: +1 to what Annalu said regarding limited vocabulary
15:48:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... e.g. recipes, procedural lists
15:48:59 <Annalu> q+
15:49:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack janina
15:49:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: I advocate returning to the use cases and sticking to them
15:49:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... people who use symbols, because they have difficulty in reading and/or comprehending
15:50:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... if they can comprehend the vocabulary, the will likely choose to hear it read to them
15:51:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The written, displayed symbols will be more limited. That's why I think we are looking at a limited vocabulary
15:52:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
15:52:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack Annalu
15:55:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The Bliss registry will likely be a sufficient 'minimal' code list
15:55:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: I could list the 'single character' Bliss codepoints proposed in the current unicode draft
15:55:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> Annalu: I can send a ink to the basic vocabulary list
15:57:08 <Annalu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English
16:00:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: (Demonstrates how ChatGPT is adding emojis to its standard responses)
16:00:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Sample from a poem I generated, A golden crust, a cozy thing 🏠.
16:01:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> zaim, end meeting
16:03:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
16:03:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Russell, Abhinav, Lionel_Wolberger, Annalu
16:03:11 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:03:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/18-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
16:03:18 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:03:15 <janina> rrsagent, bye
17:03:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items