14:09:44 RRSAgent has joined #coga 14:09:49 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/02/17-coga-irc 14:09:49 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:09:50 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:10:03 regrets+ Everyone who keeps presedents day 14:10:54 Agenda+ updates 14:11:04 Agenda+ AAATE and FTF? 14:12:51 Agenda+ Issue papers introduction . see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r2q_QQJEva8xb44BnTiFcczXNMN9N7jHQeOKd0KrqJY/edit?tab=t.0 14:13:40 Agenda+ replace the phrase cognitive and learning disabilities and mental health impairments. See https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1k5rKcLzcOQTtNRckt06XSTp4k8GUSasORLHHg_9_MjM/edit 14:14:52 Agenda+ meetings this week 14:23:02 Q? 15:45:30 lisa has joined #coga 15:45:59 agenda? 15:51:02 RRSAgent, publish minutes 15:51:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/17-coga-minutes.html lisa 15:52:55 q? 16:00:58 EA has joined #coga 16:01:03 Present+ 16:01:07 present+ 16:01:59 Becca_Monteleone has joined #coga 16:02:28 JeanneEC has joined #coga 16:02:39 present+ 16:02:56 Scribe: EA 16:03:05 next item 16:03:38 present+ 16:05:00 Lisa asking about Calendar and the way the new W3C information Is provided 16:05:26 Lisa is adding the calendar link with the Zoom Link. 16:06:01 I find the agenda helpful! 16:06:07 John K. said this would be really useful. 16:06:11 +1 16:06:53 Lisa asked: When is it useful for the email to go out? 16:07:05 I like the day before 16:07:16 John K also said the day before 16:07:17 +1 16:07:56 +1 16:08:10 Lisa will send out a W3C calendar a few days before and the reminder a couple of days before. 16:08:40 Other updates - meeting last week with coga community - suggestions for different types of reviews etc. 16:09:07 q 16:09:28 present+ 16:09:32 Lisa will try to invite people from the meeting as soon as possible. Tues next week with be time to put items in the new template. 16:09:48 ack next 16:10:13 Jeanne was wondering who she should talk to get persistent link to the community. 16:10:40 The coga community - link is available on W3C site 16:11:41 next item 16:11:44 Lisa will send out on Tuesday next week 9am EST invite for meeting 16:12:06 COGA community group: https://www.w3.org/community/coga-community/ 16:12:11 AAATE conerence in Cyprus in September 16:12:28 Sadly not going 16:12:34 thank you John 16:13:25 AAATE european association - but about research projects and has several companies as well exhibiting 16:15:43 next item 16:15:46 The AAATE meeting could be a time to also have a virtual meeting. Lisa will also ask next weel. 16:16:16 Introduction to the issue papers for discussion 16:18:15 Disccussion about the research papers and now have new modules - can publish every month. New modules will be the first working draft - editors draft has more notes with things that need to be added. Now writing some content and this can be re-written at any time... 16:20:05 Now you can see comments and improvements. Introduction added is all about what the papers allude to - notes may include grant proposals ete - background information may also be for a developer. A range of information to support decision making - more in depth understanding for different users 16:20:50 Lisa highlighted that there does not appear to be much for testers in issue papers. 16:22:06 The idea is the explain the scope of the issue papers - trying to look at challenges for users and then an explanation about the modules. This is followed by what is in each issue paper 16:22:41 Short summaries of what you are going to find. Then looking at the older issue papers. 16:22:45 Q? 16:23:54 Becca - asked about the section labelled challenges - need to mention limitations 16:25:10 John mentioned some other recommendations about - difficult if you can't mention specific brands etc. 16:30:08 please review at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r2q_QQJEva8xb44BnTiFcczXNMN9N7jHQeOKd0KrqJY/edit?tab=t.0 16:30:20 Lisa editing some of the item - conversational and voice AI assistants. 16:30:28 voice AI assistants 16:30:50 Lisa asked if people were happy with the sections discussed 16:31:14 Becca has offered to look at the various sections and likes the layout. 16:32:09 examples: Amazon Alexa, Apple Siri, Google assitant 16:32:09 Lisa felt that some editorial changes may still be needed but the general look and feel could be ready for GitHub and editors call. Asked if we agreed it was ready 16:32:13 Yes, I think it's ready for editorial 16:32:17 +1 16:32:25 after an edtorial review can we merge it into github? 16:32:28 +1 16:32:57 Once it is in GitHub we can still make changes but hard to alter at that stage 16:33:08 +1 16:33:10 next item 16:33:27 Still not resolved the change of title 16:34:46 Lisa apologised for the difficulties is changing the title with all the cultural nuances 16:38:58 John K confirmed how important the word "disabilities" is in terms of getting people to understand what we are trying to focus on for the extra support. 16:39:46 Becca agreed as it is not just for the legal reasons - developers need to be aware of the actual specific accommodations for specific disabilties. 16:41:47 MCI - mild cognitive impairment (early stage dementia) - so can be confusing if we use the term cognitive impairment. Lisa stressed this as an issue that she has come across - some terms are off putting and we need to be careful. 16:42:31 John K also pointed out the MCI is not recognised legally in the USA as not being a disability but only as a condition - 16:43:21 So we need to be aware of these dilemmas - maybe use 'coga disabilities' with a pop up explanation. This may be a bit obscure and requires a second step. 16:43:46 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FkyRIP3CAuZ-JAazUOAUI64TYCrEfOkKSeBg94mMOkg/edit?resourcekey=0-HM4QyycKbkfCwWAXzIymrw&tab=t.0 16:44:18 Need to add opinions and provide feedback to those options provided in the document 16:45:57 Jeanne mentioned ... 16:46:30 scribe+ Becca_Monteleone 16:48:04 Lisa requested COGA members provide feedback on linked document. Short discussion on getting access with JeanneEC 16:49:17 Lisa Could alternate between "cognitive disabilities" and "cognitive disabilities such as..." with examples. 16:49:42 kirkwood feels "cognitive disabilities" alone is too restrictive 16:51:00 Lisa next option is to remove the term "cognitive and learning disability" completely to focus on function instead. Suggested rewrites from Frankie in the document 16:53:04 Becca_Monteleone I think that people with cognitive and learning disabilities are already forgotten about, so I think we need to be explicit about which groups we're actually talking about. Otherwise it risks being too generalized 16:53:32 kirkwood agreed but noted that it depends on context 16:56:48 Lisa we do not want to lose context about specific needs and preferences of people with disabilities (e.g. using assistive technology) 16:59:06 discussion around "cognitive impairment" as a more restrictive term. MCI also a specific diagnosis in dementia, which may cause confusion 17:01:11 Lisa potentially could use "cognitive accessibility" (from EN 301) with the occasional reminder that cognitive accessibility is for "people with limited cognitive, language, and learning abilities" 17:01:40 *"people with cognitive, language, and learning disabilities" 17:04:15 FYI AI defintiion of cognitive accessibility: Cognitive accessibility refers to the design and development of products, services, and environments that are usable and inclusive for individuals with cognitive disabilities or challenges. Cognitive disabilities can encompass a wide range of conditions, including intellectual disabilities, learning disabilities (e.g., dyslexia), memory impairments, attention deficits (e.g., ADHD), neurodivergence (e.g., 17:04:16 autism), and age-related cognitive decline. 17:04:45 Jeanne, John, and Becca all like this option if we can edit the longer sentence to be as inclusive as possible 17:08:57 RRSAgent, publish minutes 17:08:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/17-coga-minutes.html lisa