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14:39:50 <nicktr> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group
14:40:14 <nicktr> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20250213
14:40:30 <nicktr> Chair: Nick Telford-Reed
14:40:37 <nicktr> Scribe: Nick Telford-Reed
14:41:03 <nicktr> Regrets: Gerard Oosthuizen
14:41:33 <nicktr> scribenick: nicktr
14:42:22 <nicktr> agenda+ Proposal to take up Faciliated Payments Link in WPWG Charter
14:42:47 <nicktr> agenda+ Relationship to Web Monetization proposal
14:43:08 <nicktr> agenda+ Update on SPC browser based key implementation
14:43:29 <nicktr> agenda+ Update on the  isSecurePaymentConfirmationAvailable API
14:43:41 <nicktr> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:43:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wpwg-minutes.html nicktr
14:44:17 <nicktr> RRSAgent, set logs public
14:44:58 <Ian> zakim, bye
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14:45:14 <Ian> agenda?
14:45:26 <Ian> I didn't see you had done everything.
14:45:28 <Ian> I'll restore it
14:45:43 <Ian> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group
14:45:48 <Ian> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20250213
14:45:54 <Ian> Chair: Nick Telford-Reed
14:46:03 <Ian> Scribe: Nick Telford-Reed
14:46:10 <Ian>  Regrets: Gerard Oosthuizen, Ian Jacobs
14:46:16 <Ian> v
14:46:16 <Ian> scribenick: nicktr
14:46:23 <Ian> agenda+ Proposal to take up Faciliated Payments Link in WPWG Charter
14:46:31 <Ian> agenda+ Relationship to Web Monetization proposal
14:46:37 <Ian> agenda+ Update on SPC browser based key implementation
14:46:43 <Ian> agenda+ Update on the  isSecurePaymentConfirmationAvailable API
14:47:27 <nicktr> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:47:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wpwg-minutes.html nicktr
14:56:50 <nicktr> zakim, who is here?
14:56:50 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
14:56:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, bkardell_, dlehn, smcgruer_[EST], hadleybeeman, jets, nicktr, jthomas, slightlyoff, rbyers, tobie_, rouslan, ljharb, hober, benoit, Ian
14:59:06 <benoit> present+
14:59:20 <nicktr> present+ David_Benoit
14:59:52 <nicktr> present+ Nick_Telford-Reed
15:00:19 <nicktr> present+ Stephen_McGruer
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15:03:06 <benoit> note to self: audio works better when you actually have it going to the speakers :facepalm:
15:03:12 <nicktr> present+ Slobadan
15:03:23 <nicktr> present+ Sharanya
15:03:30 <nicktr> zakim, who is here?
15:03:30 <Zakim> Present: benoit, David_Benoit, Nick_Telford-Reed, Stephen_McGruer, Sameer_Tare, Gustavo_Kok, Kenneth_Diaz, Praveena_Subrahmanyam, Rogerio_Matsui, Slobadan, Sharanya
15:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see SameerT, Zakim, RRSAgent, bkardell_, dlehn, smcgruer_[EST], hadleybeeman, jets, nicktr, jthomas, slightlyoff, rbyers, tobie_, rouslan, ljharb, hober, benoit, Ian
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15:05:02 <nicktr> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20250213
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15:05:38 <nicktr> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Proposal to take up Faciliated Payments Link in WPWG Charter -- taken up [from Ian]
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15:09:32 <nicktr> present+ vasili
15:10:24 <nicktr> nicktr: should we include faciliated payment link in our next charter?
15:10:55 <nicktr> jean-luc: can you say a little more about how it works?
15:11:08 <rouslan> q+
15:11:31 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: I think it makes a lot of sense to link to payment handlers. There is no link currently in the spec
15:12:07 <smcgruer_[EST]> s/link currently/connection currently
15:12:09 <nicktr> rouslan: We had feedback from TAG about accessibility - how can we make payment handlers works with payment links
15:12:59 <nicktr> Strawpoll: Should we include facilitated payment links in the scope of our next charter?
15:13:08 <praveenas> +1
15:13:08 <JeanLuc> +1
15:13:14 <vasilii> +0
15:13:24 <SameerT> 0
15:14:12 <nicktr> seeing no objections, we will carry payment links into the draft charter renewal
15:14:24 <nicktr> Zakim, take up item 2
15:14:24 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Relationship to Web Monetization proposal -- taken up [from Ian]
15:15:03 <rouslan> q+
15:15:34 <smcgruer_[EST]> q+
15:15:47 <nicktr> rouslan: I am trying to guide the Egalia team who are doing experimentation in this space in Chromium.
15:16:03 <nicktr> ...I have suggested that they should come to the working group to refresh our knowledge
15:16:07 <smcgruer_[EST]> q-
15:16:16 <nicktr> ...otherwise I don't think many people have the knowledge to make the decision
15:16:22 <nicktr> ...I am waiting to hear
15:16:31 <nicktr> q?
15:16:37 <nicktr> ack rouslan
15:18:09 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: Chrome has no official position on monetization
15:18:14 <nicktr> q?
15:18:35 <nicktr> nicktr: I suggest we wait for a presentation before we consider this
15:18:52 <nicktr> zakim, take up item 3
15:18:52 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Update on SPC browser based key implementation -- taken up [from Ian]
15:19:42 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: we talked a couple of weeks ago the prototype BBK
15:20:23 <nicktr> ...this is now available in Chrome Canary
15:21:04 <nicktr> ...and now includes the instantiation of a new BBK on a new instance of a browser that gets a synchronised passkey
15:21:20 <nicktr> ...and we are getting great questions already from implementers
15:23:18 <nicktr> JeanLuc: is the BBK created also with a synchronised passkey?
15:23:37 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: yes
15:23:44 <SameerT> q+ : Can we please get the link for BBK information as part of the notes?
15:23:49 <nicktr> ...and it's currently only android
15:24:07 <nicktr> SameerT: is there a link on this that we can include in the minutes?
15:24:25 <nicktr> q?
15:24:29 <nicktr> ack SameerT
15:24:29 <Zakim> SameerT, you wanted to say Can we please get the link for BBK information as part of the notes?
15:24:29 <smcgruer_[EST]> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/271 is the general issue
15:24:57 <smcgruer_[EST]> I will send an email to the group after the meeting with details on how to test BBKs in Chrome Canary on Android :)
15:25:38 <nicktr> nicktr: how many users are there on Canary?
15:25:50 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: I don't think we say publicly, but it's a lot
15:25:52 <nicktr> q?
15:26:32 <nicktr> Zakim, take up item 4
15:26:33 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Update on the  isSecurePaymentConfirmationAvailable API -- taken up [from Ian]
15:27:02 <smcgruer_[EST]> https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/pull/233
15:27:26 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: about a year about we specified a method for feature detection for SPC
15:27:46 <nicktr> ... "isSecurePaymentConfirmationAvailable API"
15:27:58 <nicktr> ...it is only a boolean TRUE/FALSE
15:28:24 <nicktr> ...it is now available in Chrome Canary
15:28:47 <smcgruer_[EST]> https://w3c.github.io/secure-payment-confirmation/#sctn-secure-payment-confirmation-available-api
15:29:35 <SameerT> q+
15:29:37 <nicktr> ...and we should add an issue to consider whether it should be an   ENUM rather than a boolean
15:30:07 <nicktr> SameerT: If I try to use this in 3DS challenge, can an iframe call this API?
15:30:26 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: yes, if payment permission policy is enabled
15:30:32 <nicktr> q?
15:30:34 <nicktr> ack SameerT
15:31:25 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: this is just "is SPC working" rather than "is the credential available"
15:31:43 <nicktr> q?
15:32:57 <nicktr> JeanLuc: do you think we should look at digital credential API and its alignment with web payments?
15:33:00 <rouslan> q+
15:33:52 <nicktr> rouslan: I think that is a great idea - are you able to bring some information to a future meeting?
15:33:59 <nicktr> ack JeanLuc
15:34:05 <nicktr> JeanLuc: yes, I can
15:35:00 <nicktr> ...we could also include attributes
15:35:08 <nicktr> ...like age
15:36:01 <JeanLuc> https://openid.net/specs/openid-4-verifiable-presentations-1_0.html#section-5-8
15:37:13 <nicktr> fahad: the digital (paymen) credential API work shares a lot with the web authentication - do you know which Chrome team are working on this?
15:37:24 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: yes, and we are talking with them
15:37:46 <nicktr> nicktr: I think @rbyers is involved in both
15:38:32 <nicktr> JeanLuc: could we use something other that FIDO?
15:38:56 <nicktr> smcgruer_[EST]: That's a topic that Gerard is very interested in
15:39:15 <nicktr> ...of course there is a lot of the work happening away from W3C like OpenID
15:39:51 <nicktr> JeanLuc: I shared a link from OpenID verifiable presentations
15:40:20 <nicktr> fahad: the DPC API already does all of that. There is a conflict with SPC.
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15:40:55 <nicktr> ...we did a demo with DPC and we presented it at Fido last week
15:41:15 <nicktr> ...we would demo to the next meeting?
15:42:52 <JeanLuc> https://openid.net/specs/openid-4-verifiable-presentations-1_0.html#section-5-8
15:43:06 <JeanLuc> https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-doc-architecture-and-reference-framework/blob/main/docs/architecture-and-reference-framework-main.md#4432-same-device-remote-presentation-flows
15:43:12 <nicktr> nicktr: that would great
15:44:16 <nicktr> agenda+ next meeting
15:44:23 <nicktr> zakim, take up item 5
15:44:23 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- next meeting -- taken up [from nicktr]
15:44:51 <nicktr> nicktr: our next meeting will be  February 27th, 2025
15:46:35 <nicktr> ACTION: include demo from Mastercard on next agenda
15:46:51 <nicktr> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:46:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wpwg-minutes.html nicktr
15:47:42 <nicktr> RRSAgent, set logs public
15:48:29 <nicktr> rrsagent, bye
15:48:29 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wpwg-actions.rdf :
15:48:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: include demo from Mastercard on next agenda [1]
15:48:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wpwg-irc#T15-46-35