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14:38:19 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:38:23 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, clear agenda
14:38:23 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:38:33 <ChrisLoiselle> chair:  Chris Loiselle
14:38:42 <ChrisLoiselle> meeting:  WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:38:57 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
14:39:48 <ChrisLoiselle> regrets: Mary Jo, Phil
14:40:15 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Announcements
14:40:39 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+  Develop WCAG2ICT "Explainer" Content https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14
14:40:59 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Review https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/614 and have a conversation around Should "software with closed functionality" instead be "software on ICT with closed functionality"
14:41:08 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
14:41:22 <ChrisLoiselle> present+ ChrisLoiselle
14:41:37 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
14:41:37 <Zakim> ok, ChrisLoiselle
14:46:45 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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15:03:07 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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15:03:20 <bruce_bailey> present+
15:03:39 <bruce_bailey> hakim, agenda?
15:03:51 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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15:05:03 <LauraM> Present+
15:05:05 <GreggVan> present+
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15:05:12 <bruce_bailey> s/hakim, agenda?//
15:05:19 <LauraM> scribe+LauraM
15:05:25 <ChrisLoiselle> scribe ?
15:05:28 <LauraM> scribe+ LauraM
15:05:41 <Sam> present+
15:05:48 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
15:05:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, take up next
15:05:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:06:23 <bruce_bailey> s/scribe ?//
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15:07:37 <LauraM> GreggVan: New initiative. Open Source ATAnywhere.org
15:08:22 <LauraM> Looking for more support for the concept that more people need access to assistive technology.
15:08:28 <LauraM> Spread the word.
15:08:48 <mitch11> q+
15:08:51 <bruce_bailey> congrats to Gregg for new initiative ATanywhere.org and newish role with Raising The Floor
15:09:05 <LauraM> ack Mitch11
15:09:11 <LauraM> ack mitch11
15:09:40 <LauraM> mitch11: We have items to review
15:09:54 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask if they are taking comments from the public ?
15:10:36 <Daniel> https://labs.etsi.org/rep/HF/en301549/-/issues/219 -> Latest EN 301 549 editorial draft
15:10:49 <LauraM> GreggVan: Send questions about the tool
15:10:54 <mitch11> s/We have items to review/There's an opportunity to review EN 301 549
15:11:03 <mitch11> q-
15:11:40 <bruce_bailey> Is EN301549 taking public comment or should feedback be via Gregg or Mitch?
15:11:46 <LauraM> ack Bruce_bailey
15:11:46 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to ask if they are taking comments from the public ?
15:12:33 <LauraM> GreggVan: Drop Mike Pluke a link if you have comments. Now is the time as it is close to completion.
15:12:59 <ChrisLoiselle> https://labs.etsi.org/rep/HF/en301549 details the comment feature, Bruce
15:13:31 <mitch11> How to participate https://labs.etsi.org/rep/HF/en301549/-/wikis/home
15:13:33 <mitch11> q+
15:14:39 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: You can comment directly in Etsi on the comment pages.
15:14:56 <Daniel> q+
15:15:17 <LauraM> GreggVan: Helpful to say how it can be different.
15:15:21 <bruce_bailey> Thanks!
15:15:22 <LauraM> ack Mitch11
15:15:36 <LauraM> Mitch11: they did close it for direct submissions for a while but it is reopened
15:15:40 <LauraM> ack Daniel
15:16:03 <LauraM> Daniel: Required me to sign in so not sure if that's the policy.
15:16:20 <bruce_bailey> s/Drop Mike Pluke a link if you have comments./Drop Mike Pluke a line if you have comments./
15:17:05 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, take up next
15:17:05 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ChrisLoiselle
15:17:11 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:17:20 <LauraM> ack Mitch
15:17:26 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, take up next
15:17:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Develop WCAG2ICT "Explainer" Content https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14 -- taken up
15:17:29 <Zakim> ... [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:17:30 <Daniel> ack me
15:17:45 <ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14
15:17:53 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Explainer for W3C WCAG2ICT group note
15:18:04 <mitch11> https://labs.etsi.org/rep/users/sign_in -- "If you don't represent any organization, you can create an Individual Account with your personal email address here."
15:18:56 <bruce_bailey> FWIW, on the GitLabs site, I am getting ‘Please register or sign in to reply’ — I will try registering.
15:19:17 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:19:18 <LauraM> q+
15:19:56 <GreggVan> q+
15:20:01 <ChrisLoiselle> LauraM: I have question on WCAG2ICT and what we address on closed vs. open systems. Do we incorporate closed vs. open
15:20:17 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:20:20 <mitch11> q+
15:20:33 <LauraM> Ack GreggVan
15:21:04 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: from a general standpoint it is included in the note but if you think it should be included elsewhere we can pursue it.
15:21:29 <bruce_bailey> q+ to suggest ‘Who develops WCAG2ICT’ should be oriented towards laypeople.
15:21:37 <LauraM> Mitch11:
15:21:43 <LauraM> ack Mitch11:
15:21:48 <LauraM> ack Mitch11
15:22:32 <LauraM> Mitch11: asking for clarification
15:22:42 <mitch11> q-
15:22:56 <LauraM> LauraM: just looking to see if it should be mentioned in the explainer.
15:23:12 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:23:18 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Will also need to check through.
15:23:27 <Sam> q+
15:23:44 <LauraM> GreggVan: We say A and AA but should we also add AAA.
15:24:20 <LauraM> GreggVan: Not just talking about software but talking about ICT.
15:24:37 <Sam> \AAA is not completed.  still plan to do?
15:25:18 <mitch11> q+
15:25:22 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:25:40 <LauraM> q-
15:26:01 <LauraM> ack mitch
15:26:23 <LauraM> Mitch: Might be better to delete rather than to add.
15:27:02 <mitch11> q-
15:27:37 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: I like the content but do not know if it is intro content.
15:28:16 <LauraM> GreggVan: I do not think we have a section about what WCAG2ICT does.
15:29:36 <mitch11> q+
15:29:57 <Sam> +1 to Gregg point
15:30:47 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:30:50 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: We can get back to where it should live but the wording should stay.
15:30:59 <LauraM> ack bruce_bailey
15:30:59 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to suggest ‘Who develops WCAG2ICT’ should be oriented towards laypeople.
15:31:25 <bruce_bailey> Should ‘Who develops WCAG2ICT’ be oriented towards laypeople?  It is mostly acronyms at the moment.  I will suggest an edit in the Google doc.
15:31:58 <LauraM> bruce_bailey: confirm that we are writing toward laypeople. If so, then we need more than acronyms in the "Who develops" section.
15:32:53 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:32:55 <LauraM> ack Sam
15:33:21 <LauraM> Sam: All of AAA is not completed so do we want to add that here?
15:33:47 <LauraM> Sam: Info from mobile taskforce group was going to be incorporated or addressed.
15:33:57 <LauraM> Sam: do we want to tweak some of the content in here accordingly./
15:34:52 <Sam> q-
15:35:55 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: we had a facilitators meeting with AG taskforce facilitators. Undocumented alignment  with having WCAG2ICT be the high level capture of other technologies such as mobile.
15:37:46 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:38:14 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:38:27 <mitch11> q+
15:38:30 <mitch11> q-
15:39:16 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:42:47 <LauraM> Do we need to call out closed systems or leave it out?
15:43:42 <mitch11> 1+
15:43:45 <LauraM> GreggVan: yes, lets add.
15:43:49 <mitch11> q+
15:43:50 <LauraM> 1+
15:44:02 <mitch11> 1-
15:44:35 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:45:11 <LauraM> Mitch11: Going a bit far to say we are addressing closed ICT
15:45:37 <LauraM> GreggVan: agree, maybe say "applicability.. ."
15:45:45 <Sam> we note SC where closed systems are problematic
15:47:19 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:47:31 <LauraM> ack Mitch
15:48:12 <LauraM> Mitch11: 301-549 added a section on closed (or evolved their existing clauses on closed functionality).
15:48:41 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:48:42 <mitch11> q-
15:51:57 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/580
15:53:11 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: I went through our files and mapped against what we would change per what we have currently vs 2.2. My action item is to add to the bulleted list.
15:54:02 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:54:57 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura: 508 reference point was listed as the various standard as guidance. Also added alternative Canadian standard.
15:55:04 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:55:07 <mitch11> q+
15:55:11 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:56:28 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:56:37 <ChrisLoiselle> ack mitch
15:56:38 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:56:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: Informative Ref should be what we are referencing to do our work vs. who should reference our doc.
15:58:34 <LauraM> q+
15:58:43 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
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15:59:22 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura: Section 508 references WCAG which would in turn reference WCAG2ICT .
15:59:34 <bruce_bailey> Oldie but goodie (that Gregg mentioned):  https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/htmlgide.htm
15:59:36 <ChrisLoiselle> Question is do all of these refer to WCAG as a standard
15:59:38 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:59:55 <ChrisLoiselle> Greg: EN 301 does.
15:59:56 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
16:00:15 <ChrisLoiselle> LauraM: do we want to only reference circular referencing WCAG?
16:00:49 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/614
16:01:38 <LauraM> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-wcag2ict-minutes.html LauraM
16:03:34 <LauraM> zakim, bye
16:03:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been ChrisLoiselle, shadi, bruce_bailey, LauraM, GreggVan, Sam, mitch
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