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15:48:30 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Releasing final draft of Accessibility Metadata Display Guide for Digital Publications.
15:49:02 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Main topics to work on after final release.
15:49:16 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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16:05:40 <rickj> hopping between two meetings... apologies if I'm delayed in responding
16:05:41 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
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16:06:20 <AvneeshSingh> agenda?
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16:07:38 <AvneeshSingh> topic: Releasing final draft of Accessibility Metadata Display Guide for Digital Publications.
16:07:39 <ChrisS> present+
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16:07:44 <George> scribe: George
16:08:39 <George> Avneesh: Work of the past three years and a lot in the last yesr.
16:09:25 <George> It is time to release the final draft report with the intention of finalize in the next month or two.
16:09:33 <rickj> q+
16:09:38 <George> It is important to get people off of version 1.
16:09:46 <AvneeshSingh> ack rick
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16:10:38 <George> Rick: Do we ant to hold the release to provide more clarity on Ways to read and in the conformance section.
16:11:07 <George> Rick: The conformance is out of sync with the JSON.
16:11:56 <George> Gregorio: If we agree to add sub-headings to ways to read and the details in conformance.
16:12:26 <George> Gregorio: In Ways to read we would had sub-headings.
16:13:09 <George> Rick: in the details, of conformance there is a problem.
16:13:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
16:14:08 <AvneeshSingh> URLs of document:
16:14:10 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/a11y-meta-display-guide/2.0/draft/guidelines/
16:14:19 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/a11y-meta-display-guide/2.0/draft/techniques/onix-metadata/index.html
16:14:27 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/a11y-meta-display-guide/2.0/draft/techniques/epub-metadata/index.html
16:14:34 <AvneeshSingh> q?
16:14:42 <George> Gregorio: I now understand and we can rearrange the ids to group the details within a sub-section to group the information in the same way as in ways to reading.h
16:15:00 <George> Rick: We need to fix the example as well.
16:16:07 <George> Gregorio: I canmanually fix the JSON and then make a PR to align.
16:16:48 <AvneeshSingh> Proposed: Approve publication of final draft of accessibility metadata display guide for digital publication, after providing clarification for issue #654 and updating JSON and examples for detailed conformance info
16:16:57 <George> Avneesh: Let's start with fixing the JSON and then do the two PRs. One for ways to read and one for conformance and the example.
16:17:25 <gpellegrino> +1
16:17:27 <ChrisS> +1
16:17:28 <rickj> +1
16:17:30 <JonasLillqvist> +1
16:17:30 <Madeleine> +1
16:17:32 <Hadrien> +1
16:17:33 <George> +1
16:17:34 <CharlesL> +1
16:17:58 <AvneeshSingh> resolved
16:18:30 <AvneeshSingh> topic: Main topics to work on after final release.
16:18:42 <George> Avneesh: What changes after the final release?
16:18:46 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:19:14 <George> Avneesh: What is needed for libraries serving persons with disabilities.
16:19:17 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:19:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/13-pcg-a11y-minutes.html CharlesL
16:19:36 <George> Avneesh: Work on the algorithms.
16:19:38 <AvneeshSingh> q?
16:20:02 <ChrisOliverOttawa> q+
16:20:07 <George> MARC and PDF metadata needs to be added.
16:20:18 <AvneeshSingh> acl mext
16:20:36 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:20:39 <CharlesL> s/Proposed/PROPOSED
16:20:48 <CharlesL> s/resolved/RESOLVED
16:20:57 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:21:04 <George> Chris: Meeting with Simon from Elseiver and we talked about journals being represented.
16:21:19 <CharlesL> scribe+
16:21:33 <CharlesL> George: JATS has been updated to add a11y metadata
16:22:06 <CharlesL> ... in JATS its an internal format then it is published in HTML or PDF or EPUB.
16:22:46 <rickj> q+
16:23:00 <CharlesL> ... not sure what the internal a11y metadata is itself, could find out. What do we do with something not in a final form?  Do we query JATS itself whats in there?
16:23:21 <CharlesL> ... most a11y would be there alt text extended description, a11y tables etc.
16:23:26 <AvneeshSingh> ack rick
16:23:40 <CharlesL> rickj: similar question for PDF.
16:24:38 <CharlesL> ... if we receive it in ONIX, we have turned on all ONIX fields a few weeks ago, so we are getting thousands of metadata in ONIX which we need to look into.
16:25:00 <CharlesL> Avneesh: Do we have any contacts at JATS?
16:25:34 <CharlesL> George: I was on the working group. I didn't attend too many of the meetings. I could post a message to that group.  what should I post?
16:26:01 <gpellegrino> q+
16:26:22 <CharlesL> ChrisOliverOttawa: Sending the data as ONIX would help not just internal.  libraries cant really access the internal but we can access the ONIX.
16:26:23 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:26:41 <ccarr> q+
16:26:45 <CharlesL> gpellegrino: ChrisS may know more about ONIX for Journals.
16:27:43 <George> q+
16:27:44 <CharlesL> ChrisS: this is for subscription services, not the same as ONIX for books. but ONIX for serials is for a different supply stream.  moved to doing alternatives due changes in supply streams.  best to use ONIX for books for Journals. I will look into this.
16:28:34 <gpellegrino> q+
16:29:08 <CharlesL> ... linking to journals as a collection type of metadata. you can describe individual journals, but we can't describe a collection.
16:29:11 <gpellegrino> q-
16:29:14 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:29:36 <CharlesL> ccarr: its services that provide us the metadata, we want article level a11y metadata.
16:30:12 <CharlesL> ... Chris and I would need to talk to vendors to find out that metadata.
16:30:15 <AvneeshSingh> ack george
16:31:04 <CharlesL> George: to JATS we want to cover journals in the future and article level metadata is what we would like and create a ticket for this in our repo.
16:31:33 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: main focus a11y metadata
16:31:42 <George> George to post the final draft information to the JATZ group. State that  we want to cover journals in the future.
16:31:44 <George> Accessibility Article level metadata information is what people would like.
16:32:56 <CharlesL> George: good relationship with BISG and EBSCO is a partner inclusive Publishing, talks with ProQuest and believe Elsevier is in same league with providing journals.
16:33:59 <CharlesL> ... the higher ed gov group the individual article was the 2nd biggest problem in the industry, with books being the first.  Recommendation from that group was to go to EPUB which we have done.  Clear direction to get a11y of journals is top priority.
16:34:09 <AvneeshSingh> q?
16:34:39 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: sounds good, you can liaison with the group and keep us posted.
16:34:55 <CharlesL> George: will create an issue to keep track.
16:36:09 <ChrisS> q+
16:36:27 <CharlesL> ... Mark Weiler as soon as I post this issue the bibliographic issue Citation problem. some organizations citation function there may be some issues with how citations are made and journals may make this more of an issue unless we can identify a specific article will help.  Github issue in the Publishing WG repo.
16:36:40 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:37:06 <ccarr> q+
16:37:17 <CharlesL> ChrisS: Chriss O and Chriss C if you can identify from the library what we want, I can help on the ONIX side
16:37:22 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:38:58 <CharlesL> ccarr: other players ILS library platforms LCLC, Folio, etc. working on displaying the individual article metadata in the catalog. maybe even before they open up the article.
16:39:48 <CharlesL> George: OCLC, is represented in BISG and Clair Halloway has been doing a presentation for work on this topic.  I can reach out to her with this journal question to get OCLC involved.
16:39:49 <ChrisS> q+
16:40:04 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:40:06 <CharlesL> s/LCLC/OCLC
16:41:18 <AvneeshSingh> q?
16:41:42 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: use cases?
16:42:31 <CharlesL> George: sighted person can go to the page to get the page, if the page #'s are not there the screen reader use may not be able to find that information.
16:42:59 <rickj> q+
16:43:24 <CharlesL> ... may not be sufficient general metadata to get the proper citation and then there is no page # what is the accepted way to provide a citation without page #'s. same with citing HTML pages.  Get citation is, but not sub issues.
16:43:42 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: we should document the sub items.
16:44:32 <CharlesL> rickj: I agree with George, citations internationally as well, data is not there, we drop in a placeholder that this information needs to be found out of band.
16:44:52 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: George when you have free time add to this issue.
16:45:00 <CharlesL> George: when will we announce?
16:45:12 <CharlesL> AvneeshSingh: some time next week after we get this last few issues fixed.
16:46:00 <CharlesL> ... Thanks all
16:46:03 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:48:13 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
16:50:34 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
16:50:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been CharlesL, mgarrish, rickj, JonasLillqvist, Madeleine, jgriggs_prh, George, ChrisS, ChrisOliverOttawa, gpellegrino, Hadrien
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