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15:01:06 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
15:01:24 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan
15:02:11 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#February_12-13%2C_2025
15:02:17 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
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15:02:54 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
15:03:03 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
15:03:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:03:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:03:23 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:03:45 <kaz> chair: Ege, Koster
15:03:47 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:05:22 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
15:05:42 <dape> scribe: dape
15:05:53 <JKRhb> rrsagent, please draft the minutes
15:05:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html JKRhb
15:07:34 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
15:07:43 <dape> EK: We had only one session
15:07:56 <dape> ... 6 Feb -> https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-wot-td-minutes.html
15:08:35 <dape> EK: spotted some issues with unwanted text in minutes
15:09:20 <dape> Kaz: just fixed
15:09:23 <EgeKorkan> q?
15:09:33 <dape> EK: No other objections -> minutes are approved
15:09:52 <dape> TOPIC: Agenda Cleanup
15:09:59 <EgeKorkan> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf/2024
15:10:05 <dape> EK: Did some clean-up fo2 2024
15:10:15 <dape> s/fo2/for
15:10:30 <dape> TOPIC: GitHub Project Cleanup
15:10:31 <kaz> s/2024/2024 on the TD wiki above/
15:10:33 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80/views/1
15:11:19 <kaz> s|https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80/views/1|-> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/80/views/1 WoT TD Project|
15:11:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:11:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:11:33 <dape> EK: added labels and moved to "categorized" column
15:12:18 <dape> TOPIC: TD SpecWork
15:12:35 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2070
15:12:46 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Prettier issue
15:12:48 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2070
15:12:51 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2074
15:13:04 <dape> EK: Daniel and I had the same issue
15:13:09 <dape> q+
15:13:28 <dape> ... looked up possible causes
15:13:38 <dape> ... don't have access to the settings
15:13:58 <kaz> q+
15:14:00 <dape> ... got in contact with system teams
15:14:10 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
15:14:19 <dape> ... others like ARIA have similar issues
15:14:48 <dape> ... it means now, that formatting needs to be done locally
15:14:56 <dape> ... see https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2076
15:15:20 <JKRhb> q+
15:15:38 <dape> DP: wonder we should back again with system team
15:15:49 <dape> ... it worked before
15:15:56 <dape> EK: Yes, can follow-up
15:16:09 <dape> ... we don't have a real fix for now
15:16:11 <dape> q?
15:16:15 <dape> ack dape
15:16:28 <dape> Kaz: I am wondering about the potential cause
15:16:55 <dape> ... it might be some secret update mechanism
15:17:12 <dape> EK: Maybe also GitHub itself is changing
15:17:55 <dape> JR: I had this problem some months ago
15:18:09 <dape> ... the fix looks good to me
15:18:14 <EgeKorkan> q?
15:18:19 <kaz> q-
15:18:22 <EgeKorkan> ack j
15:18:41 <kaz> s/mechanism/the prettifyer mechanism/
15:18:41 <dape> EK: Okay let's merge PR 2076
15:18:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:18:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:19:55 <dape> DP: will merge master in 2070 and we can see whether it works
15:20:30 <dape> SUBTOPIC: PR Template not working
15:20:36 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2077#issuecomment-2652285022
15:20:52 <dape> EK: we have that template
15:21:06 <dape> ... in VS code it shows up.. on GitHub it doesn't show up
15:21:11 <dape> ... not sure why?
15:21:21 <dape> ... does anyone have an idea?
15:21:36 <dape> ... otherwise will create issue to track it
15:22:14 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2078
15:22:22 <kaz> i|https|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2077 PR 2077 - add required property key to example|
15:22:54 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2078|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2078 Issue 2078 - PR Template not working|
15:23:22 <dape> TOPIC: Registry
15:23:28 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22registry%20mechanism%22
15:23:43 <dape> EK: All open points are tracked with according label
15:24:00 <dape> ... with MK we went through all of them
15:25:01 <dape> ... e.g., question from Ben what happens with bindings for same protocol
15:25:34 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/398
15:26:14 <dape> EK: only the 3rd problem is cirtical
15:26:14 <kaz> s/Registry/Binding Registry/
15:26:53 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22registry%20mechanism%22|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22registry%20mechanism%22 Binding Registry Issues|
15:27:02 <kaz> s/MK/Koster/
15:27:20 <dape> ... idea with Koster was to not allow 2 bindings with different flavors
15:27:50 <dape> ... we could add some checkpoints in review process
15:27:59 <kaz> s|... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/398|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/398 wot-binding-templates Issue 398 - Handling Binding Submissions for Existing Bindings|
15:28:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:28:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:28:18 <dape> q?
15:28:57 <dape> EK: Are people fine with the proposal in issue 398 ?
15:29:10 <kaz> q+
15:29:11 <dape> ... then a PR can be made
15:29:22 <dape> Kaz: Direction should be okay
15:29:40 <dape> ... do we want to think about subprotocols as well ?
15:29:50 <dape> EK: Yes, are different documents
15:30:14 <dape> EK: Next is Summary document
15:30:14 <kaz> s/as well ?/later?/
15:30:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:30:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:30:29 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/402
15:30:46 <kaz> i|398|subtopic: Issue 398|
15:31:03 <dape> EK: We did have the consensus to have a summary document
15:31:03 <kaz> i|Next is|subtopic: Issue 402|
15:31:27 <dape> ... custodian creates summary document
15:31:45 <kaz> s|... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/402|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/402 wot-binding-templates Issue 402 - Summary Document Requirements|
15:31:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:31:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:31:56 <dape> ... it should contain abstract
15:32:12 <kaz> s/subtopic: Issue 398//
15:32:29 <kaz> i|Handling Binding Su|subtopic: Issue 398|
15:32:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:33:04 <dape> ... it should contain examples, but we cannot require it
15:33:22 <dape> ... it should contain access/usage restrictions
15:34:12 <kaz> q+
15:34:20 <dape> EK: does anyone object custodian posting summary document?
15:34:31 <dape> Kaz: Who will generate the text?
15:34:49 <dape> EK: Submitter will use use-cases form
15:35:17 <dape> s/use-cases form/a dedicated form
15:35:47 <dape> EK: Remarks on content of summary document?
15:35:49 <kaz> q?
15:35:51 <kaz> q-
15:36:09 <kaz> q+
15:36:14 <dape> CA: Purpose is to let us understand what the binding is about, right?
15:36:27 <dape> ... do we need something else beside abstract and example ?
15:36:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:36:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:37:04 <dape> EK: We should get idea what the binding is about
15:37:12 <kaz> s/Submitter will/Submitters themselves/
15:37:27 <EgeKorkan> example summary document from IANA registry: https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/1d-interleaved-parityfec
15:37:36 <dape> CA: short explainer?
15:37:38 <kaz> q?
15:37:39 <dape> EK: Yes
15:38:26 <dape> Kaz: I am okay with the direction
15:38:38 <dape> ... we should provide our own examples description
15:38:47 <dape> ... how to use the form in general
15:38:58 <dape> CA: For example for HTTP
15:39:06 <EgeKorkan> q?
15:39:07 <dape> q?
15:39:09 <EgeKorkan> ack k
15:39:10 <dape> ack kaz
15:39:39 <dape> EK: I don't hear any objection .. mark as PR needed
15:40:14 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 399
15:40:20 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/399
15:40:50 <dape> ... we propose to close this issue since it is tackled by summary document
15:41:16 <kaz> s|... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/399|-> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/399 wot-binding-templates Issue 399 - Registry Entry Field on "Access and Usage Rights"|
15:41:27 <kaz> s/... we pro/EK: we pro/
15:41:28 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 403
15:41:30 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/403
15:41:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:41:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:41:53 <dape> EK: How do we expect implementation experience
15:42:04 <kaz> s/> ... h/> h/
15:42:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:42:13 <dape> ... testing can happen over long time
15:43:21 <kaz> s|... https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/403|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/403 wot-binding-templates Issue 403 - Stable/Current Status Requirements|
15:43:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:43:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:43:35 <dape> ... increases confidence of binding
15:44:02 <dape> ... STABLE state needs two separate code bases
15:44:06 <dape> q+
15:44:35 <dape> ack dape
15:45:24 <kaz> q+
15:46:31 <dape> Kaz: Technically, asking for 2 interoperable implementations would be nice
15:46:54 <dape> ... but I am not really sure if we can / should require that for binding registry
15:47:18 <dape> EK: Too much requirement?
15:47:30 <dape> Kaz: Yes, not really sure if it is the right option
15:47:49 <dape> ... can talk with PLH and TAG
15:48:16 <dape> EK: Yes, but we are free in that regard
15:48:17 <mjk> q?
15:48:24 <dape> ack kaz
15:48:55 <dape> MK: Broader review makes sense
15:49:01 <dape> EK: Agree
15:50:22 <kaz> s/Yes, not/Possibly. I'm not/
15:50:37 <dape> ... will add label "PR needed"
15:50:45 <kaz> s/right option/right option at the moment because this is the first trial within W3C./
15:51:30 <kaz> s/can talk with/Let's talk with/
15:51:33 <dape> EK: We have now 3 issues labelled with "PR needed"
15:51:53 <dape> ... anyone interested on working on it
15:52:02 <dape> ... I can take one
15:52:09 <dape> MK: I can take another one
15:52:54 <kaz> i/Broader review/kaz: Right. However, this is the first trial within W3C for Registry to require 2 interoperable implementations. So we need to talk with PLH and TAG anyway./
15:52:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:53:02 <dape> CA: I can the 3rd one
15:53:10 <dape> s/can the 3rd one/can take the 3rd one
15:53:16 <kaz> i|Right|scribenick: kaz|
15:53:25 <kaz> i|Broader review|scribenick: dape|
15:53:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:53:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:54:23 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Issue 404
15:54:28 <dape> > https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/404
15:54:53 <dape> EK: Is there any opinion?
15:55:08 <dape> ... require just JSON schema ?
15:55:15 <kaz> s|> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/404|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/404 wot-binding-templates Issue 404 - Required Machine Readable Documents for Registry Entries|
15:55:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:55:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:55:26 <dape> ... main question is about ontology file
15:56:02 <dape> ... not sure if anyone is capable providing it... since it is not needed when processing JSON only
15:56:38 <dape> CA: JSON-LD context would be more useful than ontologies
15:57:05 <dape> ... w.r.t. JSON Schema I don't have a clear answer
15:57:20 <dape> ... the current way we do it is rather hacky
15:58:06 <dape> ... e.g.,  redefining properties etc
15:58:31 <dape> ... for outsiders a form validation should be enough
15:59:07 <kaz> q+
15:59:40 <dape> ... JSON schema depends on what we allow bindings to do
16:00:41 <dape> Kaz: We should clarify what "machine-readable" means
16:01:29 <dape> ... 1 format might be enough
16:01:56 <kaz> q-
16:02:32 <dape> [Adjourned]
16:02:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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