16:37:16 RRSAgent has joined #aria-editors 16:37:20 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-aria-editors-irc 16:37:24 aagendabot, clear agenda 16:37:32 aagendabot, clear agenda 16:37:55 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a608332-5111-4e25-bea9-e9c02468e2a6/20250212T120000/ 16:37:57 clear agenda 16:37:57 agenda+ [new] -> aria#2430 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2430 revisit PRs touching on posinset, setsize, level 16:37:57 agenda+ more generally: old PRs 16:37:57 agenda+ [new] -> html-aam#576 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/576 Clarify attribute mapping tables 16:37:58 agenda+ [hasUpdate] -> aria#2411 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2411 aria.js: always add "Accessible Name Required" to characteristics tables 16:38:02 agenda+ [revisit] -> html-aam#122 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/122 16:38:05 agenda+ [revisit] -> aria #2242 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2242 : Netlify to replace pr-review 16:38:08 agenda+ [revisit] -> aria#2407 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2407 aria.js: drop "deprecated on this role" 16:38:11 agenda+ [hasUpdate] [peter] -> aria#2226 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2226 remove spec specific css or inline it 16:38:14 agenda+ [revisit] -> core-aam#238 https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/238 Consider listing known downstream AT support in AAMs 16:38:17 agenda+ [revisit] [james] -> aria#2396 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2396 respec fix for contributors 16:38:20 agenda+ [daniel] -> aria#2374 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2374 Enabling suggestions to update pull request branches 16:38:24 agenda+ [peter] monorepo: aria-commmon -> aria#2230 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2230 16:38:26 agenda+ [peter] -> aria #2231 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2231 : turn on automatic prettier formatting for ARIA spec 16:38:30 agenda+ [rahim] -> aria #2287 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2287 : Add ReSpec aliasing clarity in README.me's "Editorial Documentation" section 16:38:33 agenda+ [james] -> aria PR #2136 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2136 Remove abbr elements 16:38:36 agenda+ [james] spec markup for advice for AT 16:56:37 pkra has joined #aria-editors 16:56:42 zakim, agenda 16:56:42 I don't understand 'agenda', pkra 16:56:47 zakim, agenda? 16:56:47 I see 16 items remaining on the agenda: 16:56:48 1. [new] -> aria#2430 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2430 revisit PRs touching on posinset, setsize, level [from agendabot] 16:56:48 2. more generally: old PRs [from agendabot] 16:56:48 3. [new] -> html-aam#576 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/576 Clarify attribute mapping tables [from agendabot] 16:56:48 4. [hasUpdate] -> aria#2411 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2411 aria.js: always add "Accessible Name Required" to characteristics tables [from agendabot] 16:56:51 5. [revisit] -> html-aam#122 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/122 [from agendabot] 16:56:51 6. [revisit] -> aria #2242 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2242 : Netlify to replace pr-review [from agendabot] 16:56:51 7. [revisit] -> aria#2407 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2407 aria.js: drop "deprecated on this role" [from agendabot] 16:56:51 8. [hasUpdate] [peter] -> aria#2226 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2226 remove spec specific css or inline it [from agendabot] 16:56:53 9. [revisit] -> core-aam#238 https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/238 Consider listing known downstream AT support in AAMs [from agendabot] 16:56:53 10. [revisit] [james] -> aria#2396 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2396 respec fix for contributors [from agendabot] 16:56:53 11. [daniel] -> aria#2374 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2374 Enabling suggestions to update pull request branches [from agendabot] 16:56:56 12. [peter] monorepo: aria-commmon -> aria#2230 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2230 [from agendabot] 16:56:56 13. [peter] -> aria #2231 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2231 : turn on automatic prettier formatting for ARIA spec [from agendabot] 16:56:56 14. [rahim] -> aria #2287 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2287 : Add ReSpec aliasing clarity in README.me's "Editorial Documentation" section [from agendabot] 16:56:58 15. [james] -> aria PR #2136 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2136 Remove abbr elements [from agendabot] 16:56:58 16. [james] spec markup for advice for AT [from agendabot] 16:57:04 present+ 17:03:20 present jamesn, spectranaut, dmontalvo, bryan, rahim 17:03:29 scribe+ 17:03:32 zakim, next item 17:03:32 agendum 1 -- [new] -> aria#2430 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2430 revisit PRs touching on posinset, setsize, level -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:04:12 zakim, start meeting 17:04:12 RRSAgent, make logs Public 17:04:14 Meeting: ARIA Editors 17:04:39 spectranaut_ has joined #aria-editors 17:04:58 scribe+ pkra 17:06:26 pkra: this came from last week's discussion around aria-setize, posinset, level 17:06:31 ... found a lot of related PRs 17:06:35 ... and a lot of old ones 17:06:42 present: Daniel, Peter, James N, Valerie, Rahim, Bryan 17:07:36 q+ 17:07:45 ... feels like we're not getting to those old ones 17:08:45 jamesn: are those in different stages 17:08:58 pkra: yes. 17:09:28 jamesn: we should track that 17:09:46 spectranaut_: should we just track old PR review? 17:10:09 pkra: maybe. Not sure if it's editors' jobs (for each spec) or chairs (for group tasks) 17:10:18 spectranaut_: but it seems like we should do sometihng 17:11:32 Daniel: we should also think about communicating changes. with everything being evergreen, even draft means it is already implemented. 17:11:42 ... so other parts of the communities need to be aware. 17:11:53 s/changes/implemented changes/ 17:12:21 jamesn: [earlier] we should try to nerd-snipe developers. 17:12:36 pkra: jamie had obviously some time last week, commented on older PRs. 17:13:14 Daniel: Maybe we need to better use labels to indicate where input is most required 17:13:35 spectranaut_: I do think it's worth figuring this out. We've discussed this a lot but didn't resolve enough. 17:14:44 jamesn: maybe deep dives 17:14:48 rahim: for old PRs? 17:15:00 ... triaging issues with scotto now once week 17:15:29 pkra: good point. 17:16:01 present+ scotto 17:16:46 scotto: I agree. We go through triage. We always agenda new stuff, rarely check back in on old thins. 17:16:59 ... I've tried to do this more. 17:17:11 jamesn: that's our mode of operation. 17:17:27 ... if you think something needs to be back on agenda, you agenda it 17:17:44 spectranaut_: but we need some kind of safety net 17:17:59 scotto: in openUI they use a stale bot. 17:18:10 ... that might be too much. 17:18:15 ... but for PRs perhaps. 17:18:35 ... re-check then. 17:19:00 scotto: I've sent out reminders for PRs I had forgotten about. 17:19:17 ... maybe "meets review" 17:19:36 ... feed into some kind of queue to merge / check on bugs etc. 17:20:00 ... I'm happy to poke but I think I don't scale. 17:22:09 pkra: the weekly github digests seem like they could be more useful 17:22:44 rahim: could we schedule regular time in the main meeting? Every few weeks. 17:22:58 spectranaut_: right, we talked about this before. It might be time to implement sometihng. 17:23:15 ... "rally the group" effort. 17:23:40 rahim: is there a reporting by assignee perhaps? 17:23:57 spectranaut_: we sort of did that. Towards end of 1.3. 17:24:05 ... but it would be nice. 17:25:03 pkra: let's track then? 17:25:06 spectranaut_: yes. 17:25:18 zakim, next item 17:25:18 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, pkra 17:25:25 q 17:25:34 ack Daniel 17:25:36 zakim, next item 17:25:36 agendum 2 -- more generally: old PRs -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:25:43 zakim, close this item 17:25:43 agendum 2 closed 17:25:44 I see 14 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:25:44 3. [new] -> html-aam#576 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/576 Clarify attribute mapping tables [from agendabot] 17:25:46 zakim, next item 17:25:46 agendum 3 -- [new] -> html-aam#576 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/576 Clarify attribute mapping tables -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:26:53 scotto: came up with rahim last week. 17:27:05 ... old open issue on htm-aam "use aria mappings is not helpful" 17:27:08 ... which is fair 17:27:21 ... especially since html-aam refers to core-aam for many mappings. 17:27:31 ... we obviously don't want to copy&paste around. 17:27:57 ... with monorepo, could we do some scripting to take these core-aam mappings and pull them into other AAMs 17:28:42 ... pulling in those mappings would help implementers. 17:28:59 ... don't know how but sounds like we could do this now. 17:29:31 rahim: could this be respec territory? 17:31:16 pkra: this reminds me of the json blob that modules are importing for aria-related stuff 17:31:27 ... but rahim reminds me of respec's export features which don't work right now 17:31:30 daniel: xref etc. 17:32:08 pkra: but this is would need moving away from custom pdef/rdef 17:32:40 spectranaut_: it's a good idea. Do we know who has issues? Does this help them? 17:32:59 scotto: https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/122, marcos. Aaron also brought it up in the past. 17:33:14 ... again, I think monorepo allows this now. 17:35:49 dmontalvo: we could try to put the mappings into separate file. then use data-include to pull that in. 17:36:48 spectranaut_: sounds interesting. 17:37:00 scotto: same. now we seem to be in a place to do this. 17:37:23 https://respec.org/docs/#data-include -> Respec data-include 17:37:50 spectranaut_: we spoke about having an editors hackathon. Perhaps that fits there. 17:38:32 scotto: sounds good. seems like a problem of finding shared time. 17:38:54 spectranaut_: last time, we blocked afternoons. 17:39:00 ... maybe a board for it. 17:40:30 pkra: aside: should we start a board for agenda-editors ? 17:40:47 Daniel: yes. I'll create one if you can't do organizational boards 17:40:56 spectranaut_: I'll start planning. 17:41:02 zakim, next item 17:41:02 agendum 4 -- [hasUpdate] -> aria#2411 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2411 aria.js: always add "Accessible Name Required" to characteristics tables -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:42:53 pkra: this was more with regard to the first item today 17:42:58 zakim, next item 17:42:59 agendum 5 -- [revisit] -> html-aam#122 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/122 -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:43:44 pkra: we discussed this earlier today. 17:43:48 zakim, close this item 17:43:49 agendum 5 closed 17:43:49 I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:43:49 6. [revisit] -> aria #2242 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2242 : Netlify to replace pr-review [from agendabot] 17:43:50 zakim, next item 17:43:50 agendum 6 -- [revisit] -> aria #2242 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2242 : Netlify to replace pr-review -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:44:56 pkra: I noticed that some relative links are re-written to point ot editors draft 17:45:00 Daniel: I'll take a look 17:46:48 spectranaut_: right. found an example now. makes sense we should fix it. 17:47:23 zakim, next item 17:47:23 agendum 7 -- [revisit] -> aria#2407 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2407 aria.js: drop "deprecated on this role" -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:48:39 pkra: should I close this and file a follow up issue on the decision of the group? 17:48:41 spectranaut_: sounds good. 17:48:46 zakim, next item 17:48:46 agendum 8 -- [hasUpdate] [peter] -> aria#2226 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2226 remove spec specific css or inline it -- taken up [from agendabot] 17:59:43 pkra: I pushed a lot of changes today. 17:59:56 ... most for documentation (explaining why which rule is dropped) 17:59:59 ... two main ones are 18:00:08 ... 1 moving nested list design into just accname. 18:00:22 ... 2 starting to switch table designs in aria as a test run 18:01:02 spectranaut_: for accname, I don't like the naming. Could we find a way to name things better? So that new lists are correctly numbered automatically? 18:01:17 pkra: right. I'd have to ask accname editors to take on naming that. 18:01:31 bryan: Mel should help since it's visual. 18:01:37 spectranaut_: right. Let's ping her. 18:01:40 pkra: ok. 18:01:50 ... [screenshare aria spec preview] 18:01:56 spectranaut_: looks good. 18:02:14 pkra: fyi I'll remove the two unused css files unless anyone knows what they're good for. 18:02:27 ... and continue the table changes in other specs. 18:02:33 zakim, end meeting 18:02:33 As of this point the attendees have been Daniel, Peter, James, N, Valerie, Rahim, Bryan, scotto 18:02:35 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 18:02:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/12-aria-editors-minutes.html Zakim 18:02:43 I am happy to have been of service, pkra; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 18:02:43 Zakim has left #aria-editors