14:41:49 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 14:41:53 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-i18n-irc 14:42:02 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 14:42:09 Chair: Addison Phillips 14:42:18 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b7edae68-f52c-4aab-a1a6-3c37459e0786/20250206T150000/ 14:42:18 clear agenda 14:42:18 agenda+ Agenda Review 14:42:18 agenda+ Action Items 14:42:20 agenda+ Info Share 14:42:22 agenda+ RADAR Review 14:42:24 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 14:42:27 agenda+ Specdev changes related to TAG design-principles 14:42:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:42:30 agenda+ Responses from AG WG on ACT rules review 14:42:32 agenda+ AOB? 14:58:25 present+ Addison 15:00:54 present+ Richard, Atsusi 15:01:02 s/Atsusu/Atsushi 15:01:59 JcK has joined #i18n 15:02:48 present+ JcK 15:02:51 present+ Bert 15:04:00 scribe+ 15:04:11 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:04:11 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:04:14 agenda? 15:04:44 zakim, take up agendum 2 15:04:44 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:04:52 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues 15:04:58 #156 15:04:59 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/156 -> Action 156 Figure out what is preferred for Fig 15 at https://r12a.github.io/scripts/bopomofo/ontheweb#horhor (on r12a) due 2025-01-28 15:05:12 #155 15:05:12 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/155 -> Action 155 review glossary definitions for normativity or candidates for normativity (on aphillips) due 2025-01-23 15:05:26 $148 15:05:31 #148 15:05:32 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/148 -> Action 148 propose specdev text related to design-principles#464 discussion (on aphillips) due 2024-12-12 15:05:49 s/$148// 15:05:49 #143 15:05:50 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/143 -> Action 143 make comments on the encoding issue attached to i18n-activity#1940 (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28 15:06:02 #142 15:06:03 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/142 -> Action 142 check if we can publish the new version of jlreq (on himorin) due 2024-11-21 15:06:54 #135 15:06:55 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17 15:07:10 #127 15:07:11 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127 make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30 15:07:40 #33 15:07:41 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 15:07:50 #7 15:07:50 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 15:08:02 #4 15:08:02 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023 15:08:12 zakim, take up agendum 3 15:08:13 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:09:54 JcK: IETF document that recommends using any Unicode scalar in strings to transmit over the internet, as long as it's valid UTF-8. 15:10:30 r12a: I added a neat feature to the pickers. 15:10:34 https://r12a.github.io/pickers/arab-ar/index.html?text=%20%D8%A0%D8%A0%D8%A0%20%D8%A0&font=Noto_Naskh_Arabic 15:10:53 https://r12a.github.io/pickers/arab-ar/index.html?text=%20%D8%A0%D8%A0%D8%A0%20%D8%A0&font=Noto_Sans_Arabic 15:11:09 ... If you have Noto Nasq on your system, you should see it. 15:12:37 s/Nasq/Naskh Arabic/ 15:13:40 People trying it out. 15:13:55 atsushi has joined #i18n 15:15:10 r12a: I set up some tests. Seeing if Noto was fixed. 15:15:26 zakim, take up agendum 4 15:15:26 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:15:34 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1 15:15:46 addison: No new incoming requests. 15:15:57 ... I'll have to move the IETF reviews over. 15:16:50 #1741 15:16:50 Issue 1741 not found 15:16:57 bert: We finished all MathML Core issues. Can move it to Completed? 15:17:00 i18n-activity#1741 15:17:00 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1741 -> Issue 1741 "rtlm" OpenType feature for RTL mirroring (by w3cbot) [tracker] [t:typ_font_management_x] [s:mathml] [wg:math] 15:18:07 addison: Keep the one tracker issue open, but move the review to completed. 15:20:10 r12a: Bert's comments on the WAI ACT issues could have been put in the tracker issues on GitHub. 15:21:11 atsushi: About Kida san and the earlier topic, trying to convince him to become IE. 15:24:20 agenda? 15:24:48 zakim, take up agendum 5 15:24:48 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:25:17 i18n-activity#1988 15:25:17 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1988 -> Issue 1988 [css-fonts-4] Detection-prevention approach to the local font privacy issue (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:css-fonts] 15:25:21 addison: Was there any resolution after the CSS ftf last week? 15:26:09 r12a: I think we concluded that it was not either i18n or privacy, and win or lose, but we need to cater to both. 15:26:24 ... No good plan for how yet. 15:27:17 ... Spec says we have to figure out a way to implement it in browsers. Take care of fingerprinting, but allow users to override. 15:27:39 ... There are several proposals. 15:27:50 ... Lea had one, and others. 15:28:08 ... But problem not solved. 15:28:50 addison: I agree we as a WG don't say only one of the two should win. 15:29:47 r12a: One other thing was discussed: Fantasai brought up an issue where she wants to define a set of lines, like baselines, for text, 15:30:00 ... to align things such as dropcaps and more. 15:30:25 ... We agreed these would not be standard lines in the sense of how you describe a font or character, 15:30:47 ... but something to describe what you want to do with a character in a situration, such as dropcap. 15:31:01 s/situration/situation 15:31:30 ... Next step would be to define what the various functions are and that the lines can vary from font to font. 15:31:58 ... Fantasai proposed creating a registry for fonts and scripts to say what the lines are for. 15:32:11 ... But it is not so much a function of the script as of the font. 15:32:30 ... And will it be a registry of all the fonts in the world? 15:33:02 ... Top of char line, top of x-height line, etc. They could apply to some fonts. 15:33:20 addison: Different for arabic font, e.g. 15:33:37 r12a: You could put that info for that font in the registry. 15:33:49 zakim, take up agendum 7 15:33:49 agendum 7 -- Responses from AG WG on ACT rules review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:33:56 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Feb/0001.html 15:34:53 i18n-activity#1912 15:34:54 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1912 -> Issue 1912 Is the ‘descriptive title’ used for matching? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format] 15:36:09 close i18n-activity#1912 15:36:10 Cannot close issue #1912 -> ghurlbot does not have the correct permissions to execute `CloseIssue` 15:36:48 i18n-activity#1911 15:36:48 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1911 -> Issue 1911 ACT does not require that the language of text is indicated (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format] 15:38:27 i18n-activity#1910 15:38:28 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1910 -> Issue 1910 How are rule identifiers matched to one another? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format] 15:39:57 Bert: Not quite satisfied with their answer to what is a unique identifier. 15:40:47 addison: They should say something, maybe point to charmod to help implementations. 15:40:53 i18n-activity#1909 15:40:53 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1909 -> Issue 1909 Should ACT require the formats for rules to be localizable? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format] 15:42:45 In addition to supporting people with disabilities, using an accessible format also makes internationalization of ACT Rules easier. 15:43:38 Bert: I'm leaning to accepting just the addition of the words "and localizable". 15:43:41 https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/WD-act-rules-format-1.1-20240618/#act-rule-structure 15:44:02 addison: What exactly does "internationalization of ACT Rules" mean? 15:45:00 ... It would be nice to say that the human-readable bits need to be localizable. 15:45:27 ... They are not saying anythign about localization in here. 15:47:13 ... So not close the issue, but they should add text that says ACT Rules should be localizable and can appear in multiple languages. 15:47:19 agenda? 15:47:25 zakim, take up agendum 6 15:47:25 agendum 6 -- Specdev changes related to TAG design-principles -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:47:37 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/149 15:47:37 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/149 -> Pull Request 149 Address differences between DESIGN-PRINCIPLES and SPECDEV (by aphillips) [Agenda+] [Best Practice] [normative] 15:47:41 zakim, draft minutes 15:47:41 I don't understand 'draft minutes', r12a 15:47:47 https://deploy-preview-149--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/ 15:47:49 zakim, draft log 15:47:49 I don't understand 'draft log', r12a 15:47:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-i18n-minutes.html addison 15:48:46 https://deploy-preview-149--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#char_string 15:48:53 r12a: I looked at this and don't have comments. 15:49:11 ... Possible have the explanation before the mustard, but not important. 15:49:31 s/Possible/Possibly 15:49:52 ... To explain what is the diff. between a DOMString and a USVString. 15:50:21 ... Most other text is expanding on the mustard. 15:51:12 addison:Did the mustard itself seem right? 15:51:49 addison: It is identical to the version in Design Principles. 15:52:32 ... Without the Design Principles we would write "use this for this and that for that" 15:53:35 r12a: Maybe move the explanation and examples and bring the USVString and DOMString together. 15:53:58 ... Move the gray bar with explanatuiins & examples up by one 15:54:33 zakim, take up agendum 8 15:54:33 agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:55:05 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1909 15:55:06 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1909 -> Issue 1909 Should ACT require the formats for rules to be localizable? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format] 15:55:25 addison: We'll look at specdev again next week. 15:55:44 https://r12a.github.io/mins2issue/ 15:56:42 r12a: ^^ is a tool to copy clean text from minutes to issues. 15:57:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-i18n-minutes.html addison 15:57:14 zakim, who is here? 15:57:14 Present: Addison, Richard, Atsusi, JcK, Bert 15:57:14 On IRC I see atsushi, JcK, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, r12a, gb, hadleybeeman, alastairc, koji, jyasskin, cwilso, Rachael, astearns, fantasai, csarven, eemeli, florian, Mek, plh, 15:57:14 ... xfq, agendabot, Bert 15:57:21 zakim, bye 15:57:21 Zakim has left #i18n 15:57:22 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Richard, Atsusi, JcK, Bert