13:01:08 RRSAgent has joined #wot 13:01:12 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-irc 13:01:12 mjk has joined #wot 13:01:17 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 13:01:48 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster, Kunihiko_Toumura 13:03:48 present+ Josh_Thomas 13:04:07 rrsagent, make log public 13:04:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:21 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:04:44 scribenick: mjk 13:05:16 present+ Charith_Perera 13:05:20 mahda has joined #wot 13:05:27 topic: agenda review 13:05:31 present+ Mahda_Noura 13:05:44 q+ 13:06:11 mm: would like to invite Luca as a guest while we are workin on official status 13:06:21 s/workin/working 13:06:57 s/mm: would like to invite Luca as a guest while we are workin on official status/ 13:07:06 (some discussion about potential IEs) 13:07:12 s/IEs/guests/ 13:07:23 chair: McCool 13:07:27 topic: minutes review from January 29th 13:07:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:07:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:07:44 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html Jan-22 13:07:48 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:08:01 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:10:03 mm: any objections to the minutes? 13:10:17 ... no objections, accepted 13:10:31 topic: Quick Items 13:10:52 mm: there is a call for breakout sessions for W3C Breakout Day 13:11:25 ... do we want to propose a breakout session? 13:11:40 ... we have about a month to submit a proposal 13:12:02 ... we would need volunteers if we decide to participate 13:12:13 s|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html Jan-22|-> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html Jan-29| 13:12:15 q+ 13:12:18 ... any comments? 13:12:39 kaz: if we want to respond as a whole group, we should create issues 13:12:40 dape has joined #wot 13:12:44 i|there is|subtopic: Breakouts| 13:13:05 mm: yes, we can create an issue and a draft for review 13:13:05 i|Quick Items|(typos fixed)| 13:13:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:13:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:13:25 topic: Inclusiveness Discussion 13:13:46 mm: no discussion today but please look at the github issue 13:13:48 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:13:54 topic: Notices 13:13:58 mm: anything? 13:14:10 topic: Meetups 13:14:10 present+ Jan_Romann 13:14:14 q+ 13:14:21 mm: any new meetups: 13:14:35 mm: is there a slot for the Smart City IG 13:15:05 kak: there is a slot for JP 10PM JST February 17 13:15:12 s/kak/kaz 13:15:16 q- 13:15:31 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#5_February_2025 13:15:36 kaz: still working on US-EU friendly slot 13:16:06 subtopic: Cloud-Edge-Client CG 13:16:12 s/slot/slot. also inviting the Chair of the Nordic Smart Cities CG Chair. 13:16:21 mm: trying to find a calendar slot that works 13:16:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:16:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:17:04 mm: any other meetup announcements? 13:17:16 topic: Liaisons 13:17:36 mm: are there any updates on liaisons? 13:18:11 mm: we met with ETSI, went through the presentation, and are getting an idea of how they fit in 13:18:47 q+ 13:18:48 ... February 10th ETSI call is cancelled 13:18:51 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Feb-3 minutes 13:19:41 i/we met/subtopic: ETSI/ 13:19:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:19:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:20:10 https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/issues/5 - notes on NSGI-LD/WoT concept comparison 13:20:27 mm: (reviewing minutes from the February 3rd meeting) 13:20:33 i|no discussion today|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/393 wot-binding-templates issue 393 - Registry Inclusiveness| 13:21:15 topic: Holidays 13:21:28 i|sessions for W3C Breakout|-> https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2025/ Breakouts Day 2025 repo| 13:21:30 mm: I will be unavailable the entire month of May 13:21:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:21:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:22:10 mm: will we take May 5-9 off for Golden Week? 13:22:31 kaz: yes, people will be off that week 13:22:40 q+ 13:23:40 mizushima: March 3rd is not a holiday in Japan 13:23:58 mm: OK, right (removes) 13:24:22 ack Mizushima 13:24:26 mm: we may decide to cancel during Golden Week 13:24:27 i|I will be|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays| 13:24:29 q- 13:25:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:25:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:25:24 topic: Schedule 13:25:33 mm: any changes to the schedule? 13:25:44 ... no changes 13:26:33 topic: Policies 13:26:36 dape: the Scripting API schedule update is in the calendar 13:26:47 s/topic: Policies// 13:26:56 topic: Policies 13:27:09 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/Policy Policy issues 13:27:24 topic: Policies 13:27:44 s/topic: Policies// 13:27:47 mm: are there any updates to the IE policy? 13:28:02 mjk: no updates, all changes should be merged 13:28:29 mm: let's make a proposal to adopt the IE policy 13:28:33 i|are there|subtopic: IE Policy| 13:28:37 proposal: adopt the proposed Invited Expert policy as stated in https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 13:29:04 i|are there|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 wot PR 1224 - Create invited-expert.md| 13:30:26 proposal: adopt the proposed Invited Expert policy as stated in https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224, and also to merge it directly into active policies 13:30:36 mm: the policy policy needs to be updated for how to merge PRs 13:30:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:30:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:30:55 mm: any objections to the resolution? 13:31:02 resolution: adopt the proposed Invited Expert policy as stated in https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224, and also to merge it directly into active policies 13:31:42 ... no objections, resolved to adopt and will merge the PR after cleanup 13:31:45 q+ 13:32:02 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/policies/policy-adoption.md policy-adoption.md 13:32:18 ack k 13:32:25 mm: we have 2 weeks to reverse this if there is a problem 13:32:57 kaz: can we clarify the policy policy question? 13:33:12 mm: it's about which directory to put drafts in 13:33:31 subtopic: moderator policy 13:34:11 mm: what is the status of the moderator policy? 13:34:17 s/can we clarify the policy policy question?/you mean the above privacy-adoption.md by "policy policy", and we need to update that too. Right?/ 13:34:31 mjk: we need to look into the roles and responsibilities document 13:34:40 s/it's about/yeah, it's about/ 13:34:58 mm: specifically we need to decide how selection works and the co-moderator policy 13:35:08 i|what is the status|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1208 wot issue 1208 - [Policy Proposal] Managing moderator policy| 13:35:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:35:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:35:31 mjk: is there a W3C policy for moderators? 13:35:46 mm: the W3C doesn't say much about task forces 13:36:18 ... TF leads are often document editors, as are our moderators 13:37:29 mm: open issue #1117 for Roles and Responsibility 13:37:33 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/roles-and-responsibilities.md 13:37:46 mjk: there is a document Ege created we need to move 13:37:54 i|open issue|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1117 wot issue 1117 - [Policy Proposal] Roles and responsibilities within the WG/IG| 13:38:50 mjk: we could update the R&R document with more bullets and then create a new .md document for TF moderators 13:39:27 mm: selection is a separate topic from Roles and Responsibilities 13:39:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:39:44 q 13:39:45 kaz: we need to include Ege in the discussion for next time 13:39:47 s/q// 13:40:33 mm: we need to clean up the issue list at the next chairs call 13:41:03 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues wot issues in general 13:41:24 mm: the selection procedure really isn't part of Roles and Responsibilities 13:41:36 mjk: it will go in the .md document 13:41:44 topic: TF Leads 13:42:17 subtopic: Use Case TF 13:43:50 s/TF/backlog 13:44:15 mm: how can we make progress when other TFs are inactive? 13:44:38 i|how can|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues wot-usecases remaining issues| 13:45:42 ... we have work on TD Templates use cases which needs to be aligned with ThingModel work 13:45:45 q+ 13:46:07 q- 13:46:36 mm: there are 3 options: 13:46:36 ... we could reactivate the TF to create use cases 13:46:42 mm: four cases... 13:47:15 ... 1. user story from an inactive TF. We reactivate it temporarily to generate these. 13:47:28 ... makes sense for discovery and security 13:48:01 ... 2. active TFs can generate user stories (focus on new things...) 13:48:51 ... 3. UC TF could draft user stories and ask for review and confirmation from relevant TFs (for older, existing features) 13:49:17 4. We could just close old issues asking for use cases and user stories in UC TF. 13:49:59 s/4./... 4./ 13:50:20 q+ 13:50:25 mm: does anyone object to #3, having the Use Case TF draft the user stories? 13:51:26 kaz: not objecting, but does the US TF have resources to generate new user stories? 13:52:19 mm: we could extract user stories from existing issues and have the TF work on them, for example the Thing Template use cases 13:52:46 kaz: we should rather have the TD TF do the draft and do the discussion in the Use case TF 13:53:07 mm: Option 2 is preferred but might not be practical in all cases 13:53:30 ... we want to get a good document with a lot of use cases this year 13:53:49 s/do the discussion in the Use case TF/the UC TF can join that discussion./ 13:54:26 s/US TF/UC TF 13:54:30 ... when is it appropriate for the UC TF draft new stories and ask for review from the feature TF? 13:54:50 mm: they are short and there are a lot of them 13:54:58 q+ 13:55:25 ... I think it's reasonable to propose some user stories from the UC TF 13:55:42 kaz: the concern is about resources 13:55:52 mm: volunteers would help 13:56:09 s/resources/resources. let's ask Ege also about his opinions as well./ 13:57:02 proposal: UC TF can generate drafts of user stories, use cases, and use case categories but must ask the relevant TF for review and approval before merging. If the TF is inactive approval can be requested in the main call and via email with a 2-week review period. 13:57:58 mm: does anyone object to making this a resolution? 13:58:11 ... it gives us the ability to make progress 13:58:16 resolution: UC TF can generate drafts of user stories, use cases, and use case categories but must ask the relevant TF for review and approval before merging. If the TF is inactive approval can be requested in the main call and via email with a 2-week review period. 13:58:28 ... hearing no objections, this is resolved 13:58:39 topic: TF reports 13:58:46 mm: any TF reports? 13:59:02 topic: Adjourn 13:59:52 mm: any other business or topics? 14:00:00 ... none, adjourned 14:00:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:00:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:48:07 JKRhb has joined #wot 15:06:42 JKRhb has joined #wot 15:47:02 JKRhb has joined #wot 15:58:34 denkeni has joined #wot 16:01:16 TallTed has joined #wot 16:05:13 bigbluehat has joined #wot 16:15:03 Zakim has left #wot