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14:45:47 <Steven> Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
14:45:47 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:45:55 <Steven> Regrets: Nico, John
14:46:18 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/01/21-ixml-minutes
14:46:37 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/04-ixml-minutes.html Steven
14:48:58 <Steven> Steven: Previous meeting agenda is not readable, because the notulist forgot the "make logs public" command
14:50:04 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/01/21-ixml-minutes.html
14:50:28 <Steven> Steven: That link works
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14:51:41 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/04-ixml-minutes.html Steven
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14:53:17 <john> Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
14:53:17 <john> Chair: Steven
14:53:17 <john> Scribe: John
14:54:54 <john> rrsagent, publish minutes
14:54:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/04-ixml-minutes.html john
14:57:04 <john> regrets-: John
14:57:32 <john> Present: Norm, Steven, John
14:58:22 <john> present+:David
14:58:37 <john> presnet+: bethan
14:59:12 <john> present+:Fredrik
14:59:54 <john> present+:Bethan
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15:00:27 <john> Topic: Previous Minutes
15:00:30 <john> Accepted
15:00:45 <john> Topic: Status Reports
15:01:32 <john> bethan: probably better to work on debugging & support tools rather than another implementation
15:03:32 <john> frederik: Python can link to C so it could be linked from my implementation
15:05:59 <john> Frederik: fixed a bug David reported
15:06:22 <john> Frederik: the implementation does renaming
15:07:26 <john> steven: 14th March MarkupUK deadline - thinking of a paper on mudularisation issues
15:07:42 <john> s/mudularisation/modularisation/
15:08:37 <john> Topic: Ambiguity utility
15:10:01 <john> Frederik: Can be useful in cases such as catchall e.g. protocol decoding. Could be solved by the not or the exclusion operator
15:10:44 <john> Frederik: adding cost to the tree and choose the lowest cost route among the possible trees.
15:12:02 <john> Frederik: do the pruning during the serialisation, rather than during the parse
15:17:28 <john> Norm: CoffeePot can show the acyclic graph for ambiguous solutions
15:17:57 <john> s/Frederik/Fredrik/
15:18:19 <norm> s/acyclic graph/graph/
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15:27:36 <john> steven: we should look at this area on the backburner and possible papers
15:27:48 <john> Topic: Use pragmas for the prolog?
15:28:26 <john> Bethan: we have consensu on requirements 1-5  of the docuemtn
15:28:26 <john>    https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/master/proposals/pragma_req.md
15:28:44 <john> s/consensu/consensus/
15:30:54 <john> Discussion on Items 6 & 7. Consensus on 6 "It should be straightforward for processors to ignore pragmas they do
15:30:54 <john>           not recognize."
15:31:15 <john> Consensus on 7: "Processors must be able to determine unambiguously whether they
15:31:15 <john>           recognize a given pragma or not"
15:33:19 <john> Item 8 "A pragma must be distinguishable as such from all other grammar
15:33:19 <john>           constructs, even if the processor in question does not recognize the
15:33:19 <john>           specific pragma." - some discussion about presence in the XML and the readability of the presence of a pragma
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15:34:06 <john> Steven: I feel strongly that the pragma is purely for the processor and not part of iXML
15:34:53 <john> s/docuemtn/document/
15:38:39 <john> The argument is about whether iXML should support attachment location for prgamas within its definition.
15:39:19 <john> s/prgamas/pragmas/
15:47:28 <john> Item 8 is accepted
15:53:25 <john> norm: More discussion on email is probably warranted
15:58:10 <john> Next meeting: 18th February
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