IRC log of ixml on 2025-02-04
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- Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
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- Chair: Steven
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- Regrets: Nico, John
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- Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/01/21-ixml-minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/04-ixml-minutes.html Steven
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- Steven: Previous meeting agenda is not readable, because the notulist forgot the "make logs public" command
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- Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/01/21-ixml-minutes.html
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- Steven: That link works
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- Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
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- Chair: Steven
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- Scribe: John
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- regrets-: John
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- Present: Norm, Steven, John
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- present+:David
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- presnet+: bethan
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- present+:Fredrik
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- Topic: Previous Minutes
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- Accepted
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- Topic: Status Reports
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- bethan: probably better to work on debugging & support tools rather than another implementation
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- frederik: Python can link to C so it could be linked from my implementation
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- Frederik: fixed a bug David reported
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- Frederik: the implementation does renaming
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- steven: 14th March MarkupUK deadline - thinking of a paper on mudularisation issues
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- s/mudularisation/modularisation/
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- Topic: Ambiguity utility
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- Frederik: Can be useful in cases such as catchall e.g. protocol decoding. Could be solved by the not or the exclusion operator
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- Frederik: adding cost to the tree and choose the lowest cost route among the possible trees.
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- Frederik: do the pruning during the serialisation, rather than during the parse
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- Norm: CoffeePot can show the acyclic graph for ambiguous solutions
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- s/Frederik/Fredrik/
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- s/acyclic graph/graph/
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- steven: we should look at this area on the backburner and possible papers
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- Topic: Use pragmas for the prolog?
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- Bethan: we have consensu on requirements 1-5 of the docuemtn
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- https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/master/proposals/pragma_req.md
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- s/consensu/consensus/
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- Discussion on Items 6 & 7. Consensus on 6 "It should be straightforward for processors to ignore pragmas they do
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- not recognize."
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- Consensus on 7: "Processors must be able to determine unambiguously whether they
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- recognize a given pragma or not"
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- Item 8 "A pragma must be distinguishable as such from all other grammar
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- constructs, even if the processor in question does not recognize the
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- specific pragma." - some discussion about presence in the XML and the readability of the presence of a pragma
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- Steven: I feel strongly that the pragma is purely for the processor and not part of iXML
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- s/docuemtn/document/
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- The argument is about whether iXML should support attachment location for prgamas within its definition.
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- s/prgamas/pragmas/
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- Item 8 is accepted
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- norm: More discussion on email is probably warranted
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- Next meeting: 18th February
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