14:57:22 RRSAgent has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:57:26 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-irc 14:57:38 meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD 14:57:47 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 14:58:17 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#February_3%2C_2025 14:59:37 rrsagent, make log public 14:59:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:59:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:01:14 present+ Michael_McCool 15:01:17 chair: McCool 15:01:30 present+ Michael_Koster 15:01:43 Martin has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:02:04 present+ Martin_Bauer 15:03:26 present+ Franck_LE_GALL 15:03:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:03:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:04:30 Franck has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:04:56 topic: Logistics 15:05:32 mb: have updated a document to the "resources" area of the GitHub 15:05:42 mjk has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:06:01 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C%20WoT%20and%20NGSI-LD%20Concepts.pptx Martin's slides 15:06:10 q+ 15:06:21 q- 15:06:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:06:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:07:15 q? 15:07:37 scribenick: Martin 15:07:52 topic: Minutes 15:08:10 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/20-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Jan-20 15:08:19 mm: I have sent some small issues to kaz, which still need to be fixed 15:09:49 mm: we need to clarify whether we mean the same thing when talking about north-bound vs. digital twin modelling 15:10:19 mm: it should be north/sound bound (not "bond") 15:10:51 mm: maybe replace "moattainai" with "a waste" 15:11:01 mm: Minutes are aproved 15:11:32 (typos have been fixed, btw) 15:12:21 mm: make PR, even if you merge 15:12:40 topic: Resources 15:13:20 mm: Should we add any more resources to the list? 15:14:11 Martin: We might want to also add the WoT specifcations/documents 15:14:36 https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/issues/4 15:14:45 mm: I created an issue to add links to WoT Resources 15:15:09 Topic: Review concept document 15:15:52 mm: I would like to create a summary, maybe create an issue while we are going through the document and put it elsewhere later 15:16:08 i/Should we/subtopic: Martin's slides/ 15:16:57 i|Should we|subtopic: Other resources| 15:18:01 i|I would like|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C%20WoT%20and%20NGSI-LD%20Concepts.pptx Martin's Concepts document| 15:18:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:18:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:19:26 i/have updated/scribenick: kaz/ 15:19:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:19:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:20:10 s/mm: make PR, even if you merge// 15:20:29 i|Other resources|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C%20WoT%20and%20NGSI-LD%20Concepts.pptx Martin's slides| 15:20:41 i|Other resources|mm: make PR, even if you merge| 15:20:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:20:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:21:06 i/make PR/scribenick: kaz/ 15:21:13 i/Should we/scribenick: Martin/ 15:21:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:21:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:22:40 i|subtopic: Martin's slides|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources.md resource.md page on the wot-ngsi-ld repo| 15:22:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:22:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:26:58 scribe+ 15:27:11 mm: (summarizes the concepts on the GitHub Issue) 15:28:04 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/issues/5 issue 5 - Summarize Concept Presentation from Martin Bauer 15:29:28 q+ 15:30:47 q- 15:31:28 mb: (explains the slide of "W3C WoT Concetps" including the expectations for the Thing Model 15:31:50 mm: Thing Model is rather a template for generating Thing Descriptions 15:31:54 kaz: right 15:32:18 ... so I think this slides shows "ETSI's expectations for the WoT mechanism" 15:32:23 ... and that's still useful 15:32:55 ... maybe we can change the title of this slide from "W3C WoT Concepts" to "Expectations for WoT Mechanism" 15:33:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:33:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:34:00 mm: note that Thing Model (currently) doesn't have behavior information 15:34:31 ... also WoT is focusing on the Thing Descriptions and the Thing Models are relatively new 15:34:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:34:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:35:11 [slide 3] 15:35:32 i|explains the slide of|[slide 2] 15:35:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:35:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:36:48 i/slide 3/subtopic: NGSI-LD Information Model (Property Graph)/ 15:37:05 i|slide 2|subtopic: W3C WoT Concepts| 15:37:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:37:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:37:52 mb: we have our own entities representing physical or virtual assets 15:40:20 mm: "entity" is the core concept of NGSI-LD 15:40:49 ... instanciate actual information based on that? 15:41:23 mb: data model is out of scoep of ETSI ISG CIM 15:42:32 ... Entity has Properties and Relationships (=relationship to other entity) 15:43:53 mm: WoT do the data model 15:45:57 ... but focusing on network presence 15:47:57 subtopic: NGSI-LD API 15:48:12 [slide 4] 15:49:05 mb: APIs for retrieve entity, query entities, subscribe to entities, create/update/delete entity 15:49:13 ... and actuation 15:49:22 mm: interesting 15:49:35 ... currently, WoT Discovery is just for the Thing Description 15:51:41 subtopic: Comparison 15:51:45 [slide 5] 15:52:56 (Comparison between NGIS-LD Entity and WoT Thing) 15:53:38 mm: you're right. WoT Thing Description is about a single instance 15:54:35 ... let's look at WoT Discovery next time 15:54:45 ... it does have various problems 15:54:56 ... but I can talk about that next time 15:55:19 https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/issues/5 15:55:21 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/issues/5 issue 5 - Summarize Concept Presentation from Martin Bauer 15:56:09 mm: (then add "review WoT Discovery" to the TODO list for the next time 15:56:13 s/time/time)/ 15:56:20 topic: Next meeting 15:56:25 mb: when to have the next meeting? 15:56:46 ... not available next week 15:56:56 mm: in that case, I'm OK to make the call bi-weekly 15:57:32 flg: better to keep it the meeting itself weekly, though we need to cancel the call next week 15:57:42 mm: ok 15:57:47 q+ 15:58:35 topic: AOB 15:58:50 kaz: just generated PDF based on Martin's Powerpoint 15:59:14 ... OK to upload it to the GH repo so that we can refer to the slides from the minutes? 15:59:14 mm: yes, please do 15:59:17 [adjourned] 16:00:37 s/[adjourned]// 16:01:01 (Kaz has uploaded the PDF via PR 6 and then merge the PR) 16:01:03 [adjourned] 16:01:46 i|I Would like to|slideset: https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C%20WoT%20and%20NGSI-LD%20Concepts.pdf| 16:01:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:01:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 16:03:17 i|I would like to create|slideset: https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C%20WoT%20and%20NGSI-LD%20Concepts.pdf| 16:03:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:03:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 16:05:08 s|slideset: https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C%20WoT%20and%20NGSI-LD%20Concepts.pdf|slideset: https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C WoT and NGSI-LD Concepts.pdf| 16:05:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:05:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 16:07:11 s|slideset: https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C WoT and NGSI-LD Concepts.pdf|https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C\ WoT\ and\ NGSI-LD\ Concepts.pdf| 16:07:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:07:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 16:10:02 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C\ WoT\ and\ NGSI-LD\ Concepts.pdf|slideset: https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/blob/main/resources/W3C-WoT-and-NGSI-LD-Concepts.pdf| 16:10:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:10:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/03-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 18:01:44 Zakim has left #wot-ngsi-ld