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13:02:00 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
13:02:26 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Josh_Thomas, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:03:07 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#29_January_2025
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13:03:57 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:04:29 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:04:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:05:04 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:05:14 <EgeKorkan> brb
13:05:44 <kaz> s/brb//
13:05:48 <sebastian> MM: we have no guest
13:06:13 <sebastian> ... Ege just joined, will remove him from the regret list
13:06:25 <sebastian> topic: Minutes
13:06:32 <kaz> i|we have|topic: Guests, etc.|
13:06:34 <sebastian> --> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html
13:06:45 <kaz> s/html/html Jan-22/
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13:06:50 <sebastian> <MM scan the minutes>
13:06:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:06 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:07:18 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
13:07:33 <kaz> i|we have no|scribenick: sebastian|
13:07:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:52 <kaz> present+ Mahda_Noura
13:07:52 <mahda> present+ Mahda_Noura
13:08:15 <sebastian> MM: we updated Ben's email to its web address
13:08:29 <sebastian> MM: any objections?
13:08:40 <sebastian> minutes approved
13:08:52 <sebastian> topic: Quick Items
13:09:09 <sebastian> MM: any news?
13:09:24 <sebastian> JT: David Ezell is on the Conexxus conference this week
13:09:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:52 <kaz> s/-->/->/
13:09:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:10:30 <sebastian> MM: we will do a time-boxed discussion today
13:10:34 <kaz> i/David/subtopic: Conexxus Conference/
13:10:45 <sebastian> ... this should take max 15min
13:10:47 <EgeKorkan> q+
13:10:56 <kaz> i/will/subtopic: "Inclusiveness" of the Binding Registry/
13:11:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:11:17 <sebastian> ... we need to decide about the Inclusiveness of new WoT Bindings
13:11:54 <McCool> q+
13:11:59 <kaz> q+
13:12:02 <sebastian> EK: we need to decide about the inclusiveness and how free the linked binding or the registry entry should be
13:12:18 <kaz> s/decide/make decision/
13:12:38 <sebastian> ... there is a PR available
13:13:07 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/378/
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13:13:30 <sebastian> <EK is going to share its screen>
13:14:14 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/378/|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/378 wot-binding-templates PR 378 - Registry Requirements Update|
13:14:28 <kaz> s/its/his/
13:14:34 <sebastian> EK: to find the right place of the current assumptions please search for "DISCUSS"
13:14:50 <sebastian> <EK shows some discussions results>
13:14:59 <sebastian> MK: how many points still open?
13:15:06 <sebastian> EK: maybe 4-5
13:15:14 <kaz> s/MK:/MM:/
13:15:36 <kaz> i|how many|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/blob/60ab09a972994f5a429e80b0d012cf2c7e5b0b3f/registry-requirements.md rendered MD of the Registry Requirements document|
13:15:56 <sebastian> <EK shows Modbus binding web page>
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13:16:32 <sebastian> EK: its free accessible and open
13:16:50 <mjk> q?
13:17:30 <mjk> q+
13:17:49 <sebastian> ... other may be not accessible directly (need login) or you have to pay a license (e.g. Matter)
13:17:54 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/393#issuecomment-2595965244 wot-binding-templates issue 393 - Registry Inclusiveness - latest comments about the issues resolved and the remaining issues
13:18:22 <sebastian> q+
13:20:09 <sebastian> ... if there is a document, e.g., behind a paywall, we should able to still review the document to approve that the binding is compliant to WoT
13:21:36 <sebastian> MM: I think, it should be allow to have free access
13:22:20 <sebastian> EK: in the Matter case, the devices has royalties but not the consumer application
13:22:30 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:22:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:22:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:23:10 <McCool> q?
13:23:15 <McCool> ack e
13:23:17 <McCool> ack m
13:23:20 <McCool> q?
13:23:23 <McCool> ack m
13:24:30 <sebastian> Kaz: good discussion but we have only 15min. Expectations is a report what is decided so far from the TD TF. We should come back here in 1 or 2 weeks
13:24:32 <McCool> ack k
13:24:50 <mjk> ack mjk
13:25:04 <sebastian> ... details cannot be discussed today
13:25:09 <sebastian> q?
13:26:34 <kaz> s/details cannot be discussed today/technical details cannot be discussed during this call today, but can be done during the TD call today or tomorrow./
13:27:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:27:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:28:10 <McCool> q?
13:28:13 <McCool> ack s
13:28:35 <kaz> s/Expectations is/Expectation for the main call today should be/
13:29:24 <kaz> s/from the TD TF./from the TD-TF's viewpoint, and clarify which topics are still to be discussed./
13:29:53 <kaz> s/here in 1 or 2 weeks/to the main call in 1 or 2 weeks after getting basic resolution from the TD-TF's viewpoint./
13:30:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:30:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:30:14 <sebastian> SK: the registry should make clear, that a binding is not free accessible and/or is not approved from us
13:30:16 <kaz> q?
13:30:54 <kaz> q+
13:31:17 <kaz> s/make clear/make it clear/
13:31:28 <kaz> q-
13:31:38 <kaz> q+
13:31:41 <sebastian> SK: we should also check IANA how they handle this
13:31:44 <sebastian> Kaz: agree
13:32:21 <kaz> q-
13:32:28 <sebastian> Kaz: we should also talk with PLH about this
13:32:46 <kaz> s/PLH/PLH and possibly the TAG also/
13:32:54 <sebastian> topic: Meetups
13:33:05 <kaz> q+
13:33:17 <sebastian> MM: some news from meetups?
13:33:24 <sebastian> EK: no from WoT CG
13:34:25 <sebastian> Kaz: Smart City CG will organize a meeting, however, there will be 2 slots due to the different time zones
13:34:26 <kaz> s/about this/about this when we get resolution from our (WoT) viewpoint/
13:34:40 <kaz> s/Smart City CG/Smart City IG/
13:34:43 <sebastian> ... there is a doodle pool ongoing
13:35:06 <sebastian> topic: Liaisons
13:35:15 <kaz> s/ongoing/ongoing but I'll add some more slots probably as a separate doodle poll/
13:35:20 <kaz> s/pool/poll/
13:35:21 <sebastian> MM: any news from ECHONET?
13:35:24 <sebastian> Kaz: no
13:35:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:35:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:35:57 <kaz> i/ECHONET/subtopic: ECHONET/
13:36:02 <kaz> subtopic: OPC UA
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13:38:04 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
13:38:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:38:17 <McCool> q?
13:38:20 <kaz> q-
13:38:21 <sebastian> MM: Conexxus, there is a conference ongoing
13:38:33 <sebastian> SK: OPC UA meeting took place yesterday
13:38:35 <kaz> s/OPC UA/Conexxus/
13:38:42 <kaz> i|OPC|subtopic: OPC UA|
13:38:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:38:52 <kaz> q+
13:39:23 <sebastian> ... talked about the URL format again and need to decide about UA specific data types in the TD
13:39:31 <sebastian> ... discussion will be continued next meeting
13:39:46 <kaz> topic: ETSI ISG CIM
13:39:52 <kaz> s/topic:/subtopic:/
13:39:56 <sebastian> MM: no news about ETSI, next meeting is planned for next week
13:40:04 <kaz> s/ETSI/ETSI this week/
13:40:14 <sebastian> topic: Schedule
13:40:37 <sebastian> <MM shows the latest upcoming events>
13:41:02 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays
13:41:17 <kaz> s/ Holidays/ Holidays and Events/
13:42:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:42:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:42:13 <sebastian> MM: the meeting on 26. February will be canceled
13:42:50 <sebastian> topic: Policies
13:43:13 <sebastian> MM: we have not yet a moderator selection policy
13:43:40 <kaz> i|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/Policy Policy issues|
13:43:47 <sebastian> ... we need also a IE selection policy
13:44:09 <sebastian> MK: we updated that proposal at the chairs meeting on Monday
13:44:22 <sebastian> ... ready to review
13:44:28 <kaz> i|we up|subtopic: IE policy|
13:44:36 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224
13:44:45 <kaz> i|we up|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 PR 1224 - Create invited-expert.md|
13:44:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:45:05 <sebastian> MM: there some comments provided yesterday
13:45:13 <sebastian> MK: no time to review it yet
13:45:26 <sebastian> <MM shows the comments>
13:45:57 <kaz> i|we have|@@@ Policy issues link here|
13:46:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:46:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:50:47 <kaz> s/comments/comments on PR 1224/
13:50:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:50:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:51:28 <mjk> q?
13:52:06 <sebastian> Kaz: when we should review the whole policy?
13:52:14 <sebastian> MM: we can right now
13:52:33 <sebastian> s/can/can do it
13:53:06 <kaz> q-
13:53:17 <sebastian> <MM recaps IE policy>
13:54:36 <sebastian> MM: IE applicant must make commitment and should do a presentation to the group
13:54:46 <kaz> i|IE app|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/df0c8a588e8e79ed47d2837d6a51f70b4a56892c/policies/invited-expert.md rendered MD|
13:55:23 <sebastian> <MM makes some adjustments>
13:55:47 <sebastian> MM: we should say "tentative invitation"
13:56:09 <kaz> q+
13:56:49 <kaz> q-
13:56:49 <sebastian> Kaz: policy sounds good, but we need to check if it related to WG and/or IG
13:57:13 <sebastian> MM: ok, lets revisit it again next week
13:58:07 <sebastian> MK: we should also have a team contact mentioned there
13:58:41 <kaz> s/a team/the team/
13:59:11 <sebastian> MM: moderator policy should also apply to the Profile TF
13:59:22 <sebastian> topic: TF reports
13:59:27 <sebastian> MM: any news
13:59:32 <sebastian> no
13:59:42 <sebastian> EK: is profile taking place?
13:59:44 <sebastian> MM: no
13:59:55 <sebastian> adjourn
13:59:55 <kaz> [adjourned; no Profile or Plugfest call today]
14:00:10 <kaz> s/[adjourned; no Profile or Plugfest call today]//
14:00:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:00:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:03:04 <kaz> s/any news/any news?/
14:03:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
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