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19:28:09 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
19:28:27 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge (A11yEdge) Community Group Teleconference
19:28:32 <janina> Date: 29 Jan 2025
19:28:35 <janina> Chair: Janina
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19:35:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
19:35:42 <janina> present+
19:35:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
19:37:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
19:37:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Information Architecture Questions
19:38:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: How does employment considerations fit into this document?
19:40:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Post source provides opportunities for new types of employment
19:40:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Employment, in general, is not the remit of W3C
19:41:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: Can we provide an example of how accessibility capabilities can be made available post-source
19:47:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Demonstrated UserWay on a popular website, to answer the question
19:49:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: New additions to the document
19:49:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: New section 6.2
19:52:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Parag 1, 'Nevertheless users should not be forced to tolerate advertising content injections that impair page accessibility and functionality.'
19:52:30 <janina> Let's make it less polemical
19:52:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... forced is not needed here. Can be worded in a more passive way, 'users may be presented with advertising content injections that fail to meet accessibility success criteria'
19:53:14 <janina> Can drop the apositive in Automatability
19:53:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... automatability: can say drily, 'in most cases' and leave it at that.
19:54:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Next, let's look at 2.2
19:56:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: 2.1 opens with the Editor's note. Remove editor's note.
20:02:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and remove the Source / tradeoffs / benefit / automatability
20:02:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Done
20:05:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Diagram improvement, if any
20:06:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: When they are labeled (A), (B), (C), I struggled with (B)
20:09:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it suggests, to me, location of services. That (B) is a different location than (A)
20:29:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The ultimate arbiter, who Authorizes which content is made available to the user agent for mashup, is always the content publisher: what we call, the 'source'
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20:32:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in fact, even a single website source, without post-source, may be served from multiple physical servers, united behind a load balancer that provides a single IP address
20:33:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... or provided from thousands of globally distributed CDN endpoints
20:33:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... all of the above is understood as a single 'source' or single location
20:42:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I revised the diagram as discussed and will share in the public list
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20:42:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Knowledge of the end user
20:43:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: Modern devices, such as a car, are very complex and not fully understood by the end user
20:44:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the end user does have to understand some subset of all its features and aspects, e.g., with a car, most drivers will understand tire pressure and engine temperature
20:45:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... these complexities of the internet, that the host authorizes the content, and it is delivered from many -- sometimes more than 90 -- different sources
20:49:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
20:49:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Chris
20:49:34 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:49:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/29-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
20:49:41 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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