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12:07:53 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-uc-minutes.html JKRhb
12:08:03 <JKRhb> topic: Minutes Review
12:08:11 <JKRhb> mm: Already reviewed the 15th
12:08:16 <JKRhb> ... pretty straightforward
12:08:30 <JKRhb> ... still the problem that I cannot edit the minutes, need to talk to Kaz
12:08:38 <JKRhb> ... but I don't see issues with these minutes per se
12:08:41 <JKRhb> ... relatively short
12:08:48 <JKRhb> ... and I am okay with them
12:09:16 <JKRhb> ... I think what we can do here, if any of us finds anything, we can send Kaz an email
12:09:25 <JKRhb> ... any objections to approving them?
12:09:31 <JKRhb> No objections, minutes are approved
12:09:57 <JKRhb> mm: There are some issues with minutes for the 8th, though, so I think what we should do here is sending a short email to Kaz
12:10:05 <JKRhb> ... (starts composing an email)
12:10:58 <JKRhb> ... so let's see if we can find any problems and I will type them up here
12:11:09 <JKRhb> ... intro was fine, as well as schedule
12:11:32 <JKRhb> ... "PR 305" is a heading for an empty section, should be deleted
12:11:49 <JKRhb> ... then we have "New Issue Demo", not sure what that means
12:12:05 <JKRhb> ... oh, I see, it is regarding the new template, let's change the template, it's confusing
12:12:18 <JKRhb> s/template/title/
12:12:57 <JKRhb> ... well, the title "PR 262" could be better and refer to what the PR is about, but I assume this is fine
12:13:12 <JKRhb> ... finally, "adjourned" is misspelled
12:13:30 <JKRhb> ... I actually thought there were more problems, but they okay
12:13:38 <JKRhb> s/okay/are okay/
12:13:47 <JKRhb> ... (adds the points mentioned to the email)
12:14:00 <JKRhb> ... I will send this off and then we can address the points next time
12:14:04 <JKRhb> topic: Logistics
12:14:10 <JKRhb> mm: I think we are still on time
12:14:34 <JKRhb> ... could move use cases up, but there is no reason to do so at the moment I think
12:14:45 <JKRhb> ... no holidays to consider at the moment, I think
12:14:58 <JKRhb> ... I really want Ege to deal with this requirements stuff
12:15:20 <JKRhb> ... Sebastian did not have time during winter time
12:15:33 <JKRhb> s/time/break/
12:15:45 <JKRhb> ... any more conflicts? No? Then the schedule is confirmed
12:15:49 <JKRhb> topic: PRs
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12:16:02 <JKRhb> mm: Checked earlier, seems like there are no new ones
12:16:10 <JKRhb> ... there is only this one by Ege
12:16:15 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/262
12:16:18 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 262
12:16:28 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/262
12:16:33 <JKRhb> mm: This one should be deferred until Ege is available
12:16:42 <JKRhb> ... or will give us feedback on it
12:16:51 <JKRhb> topic: Update Readme
12:17:02 <JKRhb> mm: Need to clean this up
12:17:18 <JKRhb> ... there are two things actually: Referring to the new template
12:17:25 <JKRhb> ... and fixing the directory structure
12:17:39 <JKRhb> ... should archive the old directories, moving them to an archive directory
12:17:45 <JKRhb> ... and then start over
12:18:00 <JKRhb> ... in a new process, we would use PRs and issues, would not need dedicated directories
12:18:07 <JKRhb> ... but there are still things we need
12:18:16 <JKRhb> ... like certain documents we should keep around
12:18:23 <JKRhb> ... but it is not really active anymore
12:18:36 <JKRhb> ... so I guess I want to move this and then update the README
12:19:04 <JKRhb> ... (takes a closer look at the README)
12:19:07 <JKRhb> ... so in general, I think the README is still fine
12:19:16 <JKRhb> ... but I think the term extracting is not correct
12:19:31 <JKRhb> ... we are rather documenting
12:19:38 <JKRhb> ... but this is not so critical
12:20:09 <JKRhb> ... the other file we have was what we were working on last time
12:20:22 <JKRhb> ... (goes to the "USE-CASES" directory
12:20:35 <JKRhb> s/directory/directory)/
12:20:46 <JKRhb> ... I think we should incorporate this into the main README
12:21:01 <JKRhb> ... (pastes content into the main README file)
12:21:48 <JKRhb> ... (adjusts the "Contributing" section to document the process of submitting Use Case proposals)
12:23:00 <JKRhb> ... (adds intructions on how to submit a use case proposal)
12:23:18 <JKRhb> ... so I think this NOTES.md might need to be moved to a higher directory
12:23:39 <JKRhb> ... let's make sure what I've written is under the right place
12:24:22 <JKRhb> s/what I've written is/the contents of the README are/
12:24:32 <JKRhb> ... (makes some adjustments to the file)
12:24:40 <JKRhb> ... just clarifying a few things
12:24:48 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:24:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-uc-minutes.html JKRhb
12:26:02 <JKRhb> ... I think one step missing is that, you know, that there is going to be an editor's draft and that we won't publish a note until we have the note process
12:26:26 <JKRhb> ... then I think we can get rid of parts of the "Review Process" section
12:27:02 <JKRhb> ... (adds new sections for the review process of user stories and use case categories)
12:29:39 <JKRhb> ... okay, how does that look?
12:29:48 <JKRhb> ... okay, actually, this is kind of a mess here
12:30:29 <JKRhb> ... I think we should put what is written under "Content" into "Other Changes"
12:30:35 <JKRhb> ... (further adjusts the document)
12:32:16 <JKRhb> ... so, I think, this (publication status) is just annoying, so I think we can just remove this, so either we refernce the PR or move the link up to the top
12:32:40 <JKRhb> ... (moves the link to the rendered document further up)
12:32:51 <JKRhb> ... let's take a look at the current status
12:33:18 <JKRhb> ... (assesses the rendered version)
12:33:35 <JKRhb> ... the formatting is a bit messed up, let's fix this
12:34:20 <JKRhb> ... "the next WG charter" can just be deleted, as the new charter period has already begun
12:34:39 <JKRhb> ... (deletes the phrase)
12:36:05 <JKRhb> ... anyone else have objections to this?
12:36:26 <JKRhb> ... one thing I was wondering was whether user stories should only come from task forces
12:36:32 <JKRhb> ... but we can leave this open for now
12:36:41 <JKRhb> ... does the review process make sense here?
12:37:02 <JKRhb> ... tried to make the terminology and casing more consistent
12:37:53 <JKRhb> jr: Changes look good to me so far, do you want to commit this correctly or do you want to create a PR?
12:38:03 <JKRhb> mm: Will make a PR right now
12:38:23 <JKRhb> ... oh, I accidentally committed it directly, sorry about that
12:39:11 <JKRhb> tz: We need a clarification about what a use case, a user story, and what a requirement is
12:39:23 <JKRhb> mm: I think we have something about that in the templates
12:39:50 <JKRhb> ... hmm, but it seems as if there is no definition of what a use case is
12:40:07 <JKRhb> ... (adds a definition to the README.md file)
12:41:30 <JKRhb> ... (also adds a user story definition)
12:42:39 <JKRhb> q+
12:42:57 <JKRhb> ... (adds a use case category definition)
12:44:44 <JKRhb> jr: Should there also be a definition for "feature"?
12:45:21 <JKRhb> mm: Use it in the sense of assertions
12:45:39 <JKRhb> ... but left it intentionally vague
12:45:51 <JKRhb> ... in the future, we should probably link to sections of the document
12:46:00 <JKRhb> ack j
12:46:10 <JKRhb> ... individual assertions might be too much
12:46:28 <JKRhb> ... if everyone is okay with the current changes, I will create a PR for them
12:46:57 <JKRhb> mm: (opens a PR with the changes)
12:47:25 <JKRhb> topic: Directory Reorganization
12:47:40 <JKRhb> mm: Will archive the old directories
12:48:00 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment with his plan to issue 315)
12:48:20 <JKRhb> ... will make a PR after moving the directories via the command line
12:48:49 <JKRhb> ... will do something similar for the REQUIREMENTS directory as mentioned in issue @@@
12:48:56 <JKRhb> ... I think we are almost done
12:49:07 <JKRhb> topic: Issues
12:49:14 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 304
12:49:26 <JKRhb> mm: I think we have taken care of this, so we can close this one
12:49:32 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment
12:49:40 <JKRhb> s/(adds a comment/(adds a comment)/
12:50:04 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft the minutes
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12:50:50 <JKRhb> ... like to close this one if that is okay
12:50:54 <JKRhb> mz: Yeah
12:51:00 <JKRhb> Issue has been closed
12:51:17 <JKRhb> mm: We still have over 100 issues open, at some point we need to deal with this
12:51:39 <JKRhb> ... we also have some pending use cases, which we need to turn into ...
12:52:04 <JKRhb> ... should not have a 100 issues laying around, should clean this up at some point
12:52:16 <JKRhb> ... bunch of stuff regarding categories
12:52:29 <JKRhb> ... probably will be resolved once we have Use Case Categories defined
12:52:45 <JKRhb> ... next meeting we should probably see how to clean up this backlog
12:53:04 <JKRhb> ... there is also procedural stuff that we may want to document
12:53:30 <JKRhb> ... there is also one minor linking issue in the README that needs to be updated
12:53:53 <JKRhb> ... (resolves the issue)
12:54:18 <JKRhb> i/ We still have over 100 issues/topic: Issue Backlog/
12:54:27 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:54:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-uc-minutes.html JKRhb
12:54:44 <JKRhb> ... will commit this directly
12:55:23 <JKRhb> ... and create an issue regarding further required changes to the nodes.md file
12:55:49 <JKRhb> ... (opens issue 318 for this)
12:56:08 <JKRhb> ... I think this all we have time for today, but we now have more than there was before
12:56:14 <JKRhb> ... okay, move to adjourn
12:56:26 <JKRhb> [adjourned]
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