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13:00:07 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
13:00:57 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ben_Francis, Jan_Romann
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13:01:24 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
13:01:52 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#22_January_2025
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13:02:23 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:02:24 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
13:03:06 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:03:19 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:03:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:34 <benfrancis> present+ Ben_Francis
13:03:59 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:04:36 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:04:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:05:36 <kaz> regrets+ Ege
13:05:45 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:06:55 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:07:59 <kaz> topic: Guests, New Members ad IEs
13:08:07 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Mizushima
13:08:28 <kaz> mm: no guest today
13:08:30 <kaz> topic: Minutes
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13:08:47 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/15-wot-minutes.html Jan-15
13:08:59 <kaz> mm: talking with the old IE applicants
13:09:08 <Mizushima> present- Tetsushi_Mizushima
13:09:10 <kaz> ... also Koster is working on the IE policy
13:09:21 <Mizushima> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:09:22 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:10:00 <kaz> ... (goes through the minutes)
13:10:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:10:30 <kaz> present+ Charith_Perera
13:10:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:10:56 <kaz> q?
13:11:01 <kaz> q-
13:11:44 <benfrancis> McCool: We can't hear you, have you been disconnected?
13:12:26 <kaz> s/McCool: We can't hear you, have you been disconnected?//
13:14:16 <kaz> (McCool has trouble with electricity, and Kaz starts to show the agenda/minutes for McCool.)
13:14:29 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
13:14:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:14:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:15:56 <kaz> mm: Ben is here to have discussion on Profile today
13:16:50 <kaz> ... minutes themselves seem ok
13:17:58 <kaz> ... the text for Profile should say "Profile moving into inactive for now until we resolve the TF leader"
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13:19:09 <kaz> kaz: fixed
13:19:19 <kaz> (minutes approved)
13:19:35 <kaz> topic: Quick items
13:19:49 <kaz> mm: inclusiveness of the Binding registry
13:20:05 <kaz> ... (gives summary of the discussion so far)
13:20:49 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/393#issuecomment-2595965244 Ege's latest summary
13:21:14 <kaz> mm: latest comments from Ege for Issue 393 summarizing the discussion so far
13:21:20 <kaz> s/far/far above/
13:21:38 <kaz> ... potential issues listed here
13:22:14 <kaz> ... given Ege is not here, just referring to the situation for today
13:22:46 <kaz> topic: Notices/Meetups
13:22:50 <kaz> mm: anything specific?
13:22:52 <kaz> (none)
13:23:15 <kaz> i/non/subtopic: WoT CG/
13:23:19 <kaz> subtopic: WoT JP CG
13:23:23 <kaz> (none)
13:23:27 <kaz> subtopic: Smart Cities
13:23:34 <kaz> mm: Intel has joined the IG
13:23:47 <kaz> ... Kaz is organizing the Doodle for the IG call
13:23:58 <kaz> subtopic: Cloud-Edge
13:24:06 <kaz> mm: launch in progress
13:24:09 <kaz> topic: Liaisons
13:24:27 <kaz> subtopic: ECHONET
13:24:29 <kaz> (none)
13:24:33 <kaz> subtopic: Conexxus
13:24:43 <kaz> mm: Annual conf this week
13:25:12 <kaz> de: nothing new right now but trying to get manufacturers interested
13:26:11 <kaz> mm: clarification question. not changing the Things but adding metadata?
13:26:14 <kaz> de: right
13:26:26 <kaz> ... this is how we can implement RESTful services
13:26:34 <kaz> mm: would have test cases first
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13:26:47 <mjk> q?
13:26:51 <kaz> ... if we could see the gaps, would be helpful
13:27:12 <kaz> de: that's part of the reason we're working on smart safe
13:27:38 <kaz> mm: maybe we can document the points :)
13:27:45 <kaz> subtopic: OPC
13:27:50 <kaz> mm: next meeting on Jan 28
13:27:56 <kaz> ... Sebastian is not here toay
13:28:00 <kaz> s/toay/today
13:28:07 <kaz> subtopic: ETSI ISG CIM
13:28:18 <kaz> mm: liaison call on Monday, Jan 20
13:28:37 <kaz> ... talking about the resources/documents, etc.
13:28:48 <kaz> ... might be relevant to the smart cities discussion
13:29:02 <kaz> ... possible use cases around smart cities
13:29:13 <kaz> ... the call on Jan 27 will be cancelled
13:29:22 <kaz> ... the next meeting will be in 2 weeks
13:29:33 <kaz> kaz: getting use cases is important
13:29:58 <kaz> mm: need to work on concrete use cases
13:30:00 <kaz> topic: Schedule
13:30:12 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays
13:30:16 <kaz> mm: no big changes
13:30:19 <kaz> ... but please review it
13:30:36 <kaz> ... several holidays on Monday
13:31:36 <kaz> topic: Policies
13:31:47 <kaz> mm: Koster, policy for IEs?
13:31:52 <kaz> mjk: there is a PR there
13:32:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1224 PR 1224 - Create invited-expert.md
13:32:31 <kaz> mm: please review the PR offline
13:32:38 <kaz> mjk: got comments from Ege
13:32:48 <kaz> q+
13:33:08 <kaz> mm: possible change from Member to IE
13:33:15 <kaz> ... to be documented also
13:33:58 <kaz> ... to be discussed next week
13:34:34 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/5159613fa974068d8b5b20e8d8e7876479914dbe/policies/invited-expert.md rendered MD
13:34:42 <kaz> mjk: (goes through the draft quickly)
13:35:27 <kaz> ... for Chairs and Team Contact to identify the IEs
13:35:37 <kaz> ... a couple of thing defined here
13:35:56 <kaz> ... Requirements:
13:36:16 <kaz> ... contributions are expected
13:36:48 <kaz> ... initial presentation and then regular participation
13:37:08 <kaz> ... Process:
13:37:14 <kaz> ... need fleshing ut
13:37:18 <kaz> s/ ut/ out/
13:38:39 <kaz> ... decision within 2-3 weeks
13:38:59 <kaz> mm: definition of preliminary invitation, etc.
13:39:47 <Charith> the word of EoI (Expression of Interest) might be good to use...
13:40:06 <kaz> mm: link to the application form to be added
13:40:08 <kaz> q+
13:40:57 <kaz> ... need to clarify the procedure so that the IE applicants can understand it
13:41:20 <kaz> mjk: would be good to clarify the steps one by one
13:41:43 <kaz> mm: minimum requirements for participation, e.g., one hour for meeting
13:41:47 <kaz> mjk: yeah
13:42:04 <kaz> ... probably 2-3 hours a week
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13:42:22 <kaz> mm: yeah, that's fine
13:42:25 <kaz> q?
13:42:44 <kaz> ... everyone, please give your comments on the PR
13:44:04 <kaz> kaz: good starting point
13:44:17 <kaz> ... note that we should be kind of strict about the evaluation :)
13:44:19 <kaz> q-
13:44:21 <kaz> s/the word of EoI (Expression of Interest) might be good to use...//
13:44:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:44:38 <kaz> topic: TF Leads
13:44:45 <kaz> subtopic: Profile
13:44:59 <kaz> mm: several separate problems
13:45:23 <kaz> ... Luca's participation and possible new TF Lead
13:45:28 <dape> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:45:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-wot-minutes.html dape
13:45:56 <kaz> ... if someone can volunteer, we should have a specific policy too
13:46:10 <kaz> ... also should discuss how much time to be allocated for TF leads
13:46:11 <kaz> q?
13:46:13 <benfrancis> q+
13:46:14 <kaz> q+
13:46:25 <kaz> ack b
13:46:38 <kaz> bf: wanted to ask a question
13:47:10 <kaz> ... myself as a tentative TF lead, e.g., for 6 months
13:47:24 <kaz> ... publish an updated WD or a Note
13:47:42 <kaz> ... gave a proposal/question last year
13:47:58 <kaz> q?
13:48:35 <kaz> ack k
13:48:46 <dezell> q+
13:48:58 <kaz> ack d
13:49:09 <kaz> de: conexxus is interested in Profile
13:49:29 <kaz> ... probably would be helpful for us
13:49:37 <kaz> ... someone probably would join the TF
13:49:43 <kaz> q?
13:49:59 <kaz> mm: several issues here
13:50:16 <kaz> ... Conexxus' participation is great
13:50:44 <kaz> ... maybe we should look into potential use cases for Profile a bit more
13:50:49 <kaz> s/maybe/but maybe/
13:51:03 <kaz> ... the purpose is improving the out-of-box interoperability
13:51:19 <kaz> ... if you have time commitment, please work on that
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13:51:45 <kaz> de: bunch of people potentially would work
13:52:08 <kaz> mm: please be careful about what you specifically want to work on
13:52:21 <kaz> q?
13:52:30 <McCool> q?
13:52:56 <kaz> mm: regarding your possible TF lead for 6 months
13:52:59 <kaz> ... is that feasible?
13:53:03 <kaz> bf: yes
13:53:16 <kaz> ... but just some concern about the WG's support, etc.
13:53:26 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:53:41 <kaz> ... there is still some confusion about what Profile really should be
13:53:48 <benfrancis> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/417
13:53:59 <kaz> bf: I've worked on that as above
13:54:34 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/417|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/417 wot-profile PR 417 - A start on use cases and requirements for Profiles 2.0|
13:54:40 <kaz> mm: let's review that again
13:55:40 <kaz> ... there are requirements for WoT interoperability
13:55:56 <kaz> ... Profile 1.0 is a Note, so Profile 2.0 would make more sense
13:56:13 <kaz> ... actual constraints for applications of TDs
13:56:36 <kaz> q+
13:57:15 <kaz> ... publishing an updated version of Profile 1.0 Note and get community inputs is also useful, though
13:57:33 <kaz> ... anyway, let's ask people for review
13:57:47 <kaz> ... WoT Profile would be useful for WoT interoperability
13:58:02 <kaz> ... the question is that we don't have a consensus yet
13:58:58 <kaz> kaz: ok
13:59:06 <kaz> ... let's ask people to review this PR 417
13:59:15 <kaz> ... my question is when to revisit this topic
13:59:24 <kaz> mm: need Ben's participation
13:59:47 <kaz> q-
14:00:05 <kaz> q+ cris
14:00:17 <kaz> ca: would like to see progress on Profile
14:00:34 <kaz> mm: David, you're also interested. right?
14:00:52 <kaz> de: out-of-box interoperability is important
14:01:00 <kaz> ... would like to understand WoT Profile first
14:01:24 <kaz> ... anyway, I'd like to join the discussion
14:01:44 <kaz> mm: would be useful for cloud integration, etc.
14:01:55 <kaz> de: PCI constrain is an issue
14:02:08 <kaz> ... would be good to capture those issues
14:02:22 <kaz> mm: any other comments?
14:02:28 <kaz> q- c
14:02:33 <kaz> q+ dape
14:02:44 <kaz> dp: the idea behind WoT Profile is good
14:03:22 <kaz> ... would agree it would be good to think about better integration between Profile 2.0 and TD 2.0
14:03:58 <kaz> tm: use cases and requirements should be discussed by the UC TF
14:04:03 <kaz> q?
14:04:07 <kaz> ack d
14:04:09 <kaz> q+
14:04:37 <kaz> mm: technically, that's true but getting Ben's help for Profile would be useful
14:04:49 <kaz> ... probably relevant to work on possible use cases for Profile
14:05:05 <kaz> q?
14:05:43 <kaz> ... Ben, is today's discussion helpful for you?
14:05:46 <kaz> bf: yeah
14:06:30 <kaz> ... the question is that we don't have enough use cases and requirements for WoT Profile 2.0 yet
14:06:36 <kaz> q?
14:07:28 <kaz> mm: yeah, the updated use cases document would have user story, etc.
14:07:56 <benfrancis> Please email ben@krellian.com with any further comments
14:08:03 <kaz> kaz: sorry but we're already out of time
14:08:15 <kaz> ... so let's have some more discussion with Ben offline
14:08:58 <kaz> ... and then clarify when to have the discussion during the main call again (and let everybody know about that)
14:09:02 <kaz> mm: yeah, let's do so
14:09:23 <kaz> s/Please email ben@krellian.com with any further comments//
14:09:29 <kaz> bf: Please email ben@krellian.com with any further comments
14:09:39 <kaz> [adjourned; no TD call today]
14:09:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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