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13:25:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
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13:25:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of machine learning and generative AI.
13:25:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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14:03:25 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Accessibility of machine learning and generative AI. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:03:28 <JPaton> present+ John_Paton
14:04:04 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes catch-up discussion just ahead of this call
14:04:35 <janina> scott_h: Josh has additional framing to contribute; focus on reliability qualitative assessment
14:04:58 <janina> scott_h: Once we review we'll move it to github
14:05:12 <janina> present+ Josh
14:05:17 <janina> josh: Yes
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14:06:03 <janina> scott_h: Can proceed weekly ...
14:06:23 <janina> jasonjgw: Relating ...
14:06:48 <janina> jasonjgw: Noted another reasoning model; and we should expect more and more of them ...
14:07:08 <janina> jasonjgw: Improved reasoning appears to be fruitful just now
14:07:24 <janina> jasonjgw: Programming, math tasks, also some more generic testing
14:07:49 <janina> jasonjgw: e.g. OpenAI model that solves problems in an area it was not trained on
14:08:19 <janina> jasonjgw: Suggests we could see a11y support in areas not trained
14:08:31 <janina> present+ Raja
14:08:49 <janina> raja: Some models have become better at atypical speech
14:09:11 <janina> raja: In general AI has become better at this
14:09:24 <janina> jasonjgw: Good news; useful to know
14:09:36 <Joshue108> thank you raja
14:09:57 <Joshue108> Q+
14:10:02 <Joshue108> ack me
14:10:03 <janina> josh: ack josh
14:10:19 <janina> Will be looking at different domains; e.g. remediation as current doc
14:11:43 <janina> josh: also we will be skeptical
14:12:24 <janina> jasonjgw: Also notes regulatory changes with new U.S. administration
14:12:39 <janina> jasonjgw: However does not affect exdpectations e.g. in E.U.
14:13:04 <Joshue108> JS: Was there any regulation?
14:13:53 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes Biden Executive Order requiring reporting re safety, etc., has been rescinded
14:14:24 <janina> jasonjgw: Asks whether Australia has made decisions?
14:14:49 <janina> scoDiscussion, but seems on hold pending elections
14:15:11 <janina> present+ scott
14:16:07 <janina> jasonjgw: Anything else we should note today?
14:16:35 <janina> raja: Q: U.S. Government actively trying to remove DEI
14:17:41 <janina> raja: Intellectual disabilities -- there is overlap in DEI
14:18:24 <janina> raja: So hiring practices no longer include DEI goals
14:18:43 <Joshue108> Q+
14:18:49 <janina> raja: difference between inclusivity and accessibility
14:19:01 <janina> jasonjgw: Some ML application?
14:19:03 <janina> raja: Yes
14:19:32 <janina> jasonjgw: So less incentive to make sure models appropriately consider in candidate pool
14:19:40 <janina> raja: Yes, one possibility. Not clear
14:19:55 <janina> raja: What long term impact is we don't yet know
14:20:22 <janina> josh: Yes, many concerns
14:20:39 <Joshue108> Good points Raja
14:21:10 <janina> jasonjgw: Traditionally we think of a11y considerations in tech
14:21:44 <janina> jasonjgw: Now have emerging class of apps that are making decisions, or influencing decisions about pwds -- a potential source of discrimination unrelated to UI
14:22:11 <janina> jasonjgw: e.g. eval of video of interviews
14:22:55 <Joshue108> JS: Has anyone grabbed a copy of Project 2025?
14:23:05 <Joshue108> JS: For the disability access
14:23:20 <Joshue108> JS: Raja - no this is on my to do list
14:23:24 <Joshue108> JS: Would you please?
14:23:32 <Joshue108> A good road map.
14:23:36 <Joshue108> JOC: What is that?
14:24:14 <Joshue108> JS: Its a Heritage foundation report think tank - under prep as the operation plan for the new republication administration would hit the ground running
14:24:27 <Joshue108> So they can function right from the get go.
14:24:48 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes we sometimes cite relevant regs in W3C docs
14:24:57 <Joshue108> JW: Regarding the intersection of regulation and policy about AI regulation in the EU.
14:25:02 <janina> jasonjgw: Asks Josh about related conversations in E.U.?
14:25:04 <janina> josh Unsure
14:25:41 <janina> Joshue108: On a personal level my son's school is embracing AI as part of the toolset he can use in school
14:26:20 <janina> Joshue108: What they do will likely be damage mitigation
14:26:29 <janina> Joshue108: I'm concerned on impact on young minds
14:26:59 <janina> raja: Will be presenting trying to differentiate AI Accessibility re pedagogy
14:27:22 <janina> raja: e.g. improving English skills with AI assistance
14:27:52 <janina> raja: Universities will decide which classes can and cannot use AI
14:28:08 <janina> raja: currently class by class
14:28:21 <janina> Joshue108: Clarifies university? High school?
14:28:24 <janina> raja: University
14:29:14 <janina> scott: I teach a course at University; It's OK to use AI as long as one declares it's use
14:29:40 <janina> scott: Notes we're using AI to discover undeclared AI use
14:30:20 <janina> scott: For now AI use remains somewhat obvious--so not as problematic as it's likely to become
14:31:20 <janina> jasonjgw: Expecting tutoring apps will become cheaper to develop
14:31:40 <janina> jasonjgw: Expecting interactive dialog approach likely
14:32:34 <janina> jasonjgw: If there's no script involved, we need to bear in mind with natural lang models; this is different from our previous discussions
14:33:59 <janina> jasonjgw: Any additional consideration for Josh's next note revision?
14:34:07 <janina> jasonjgw: OK. Will bring back next week
14:34:16 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:34:16 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
14:34:43 <janina> jasonjgw: Notes CTAUR is now published and announced
14:36:32 <janina> Announcement here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-announce/2025JanMar/0000.html
14:36:46 <janina> scott: Word is spreading fast and lots of compliments already!
14:38:46 <Roy_Ruoxi> wai news -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/
14:39:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> w3c news -> https://www.w3.org/news/
14:40:41 <janina> topic: Calendar
14:40:51 <janina> jasonjgw: I'm away the 12th, Scott will facilitate
14:40:59 <janina> janina: I'm away first week of March
14:41:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
14:41:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, scott_h, John_Paton, Josh, Joshue, Raja
14:41:48 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:41:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/22-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
14:41:57 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:55:18 <janina> rrsagent, bye
14:55:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items