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14:38:44 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:38:50 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, clear agenda
14:38:50 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:39:00 <ChrisLoiselle> chair:  Mary Jo Mueller , Chris Loiselle
14:39:07 <ChrisLoiselle> meeting:  WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:39:15 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, make minutes
14:39:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
14:39:24 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
14:39:24 <Zakim> ok, ChrisLoiselle
14:40:11 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Announcements
14:40:18 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Phase 2 of WCAG2ICT update – work statement
14:40:42 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+WCAG2ICT Explainer Outline
14:40:53 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+WCAG2ICT Issues/PRs status update
14:41:16 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+Alignment of subject matter experts (SMEs) with tech stack specific content.
14:41:31 <ChrisLoiselle> present+
14:51:21 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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14:55:56 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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15:02:40 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
15:02:40 <bruce_bailey> present+
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15:03:07 <PhilDay> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki/Scribe-list-&-instructions
15:03:19 <PhilDay> scribe+ your-irc-nickname
15:03:29 <LMiller> Scribe Lmiller
15:03:37 <LMiller> Take up next
15:03:44 <LMiller> zakim, take up next
15:03:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
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15:04:24 <mitch11> scribe: Lmiller
15:04:30 <Sam> present+
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15:04:36 <LMiller> ChrisLoiselle: Announcements?
15:04:53 <LMiller> Bruce_bailey: Retired from USAB
15:05:38 <LMiller> Bruce_Bailey: Still an invited expert and will continue to work on WCAG. Question from Tuesday call. Is WCAG2ICT continuing indefinitely?
15:05:59 <LMiller> Maryjom: Yes. Will continue to handle things that are WCAG2ICT related.
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15:06:39 <LMiller> zakim, time speakers at 1 minute
15:06:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'time speakers at 1 minute', LMiller
15:07:19 <loicm> present+
15:07:25 <mitch11> congratulations, Bruce and Gregg!
15:07:33 <LMiller> GreggVan: Has retired from the University. Will still be around.
15:07:40 <LMiller> Zakim, take up next
15:07:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Phase 2 of WCAG2ICT update – work statement -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:07:47 <maryjom> @bruce and @gregg Thanks for still participating with us in your retirement!
15:07:59 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/611
15:08:50 <LMiller> ChrisLoiselle: At the moment there are no comments or issues on the work statement
15:09:41 <LMiller> Maryjom: spoke with Chuck about CSUN WCAG2ICT talk. AG chairs have the ability to approve. The group can review out of courtesy.
15:10:05 <LMiller> Zakim, take up next
15:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- WCAG2ICT Explainer Outline -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:10:13 <maryjom> No comments have been received thus far on the work statement.
15:10:15 <ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14
15:11:09 <LMiller> ChrisLoiselle: We are after the content aligning with WCAG2ICT as a note is.
15:12:25 <LMiller> Do you have action items from reviewing?
15:12:32 <mitch11> q+
15:12:38 <LMiller> ack Mitch11
15:13:00 <LMiller> Mitch11 - what do we think this means (who works on what?).
15:13:42 <LMiller> In terms of the explainer, showcasing to regulators as a one pager to understand it more (ChrisLoiselle)
15:14:26 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask about an explainer which i thought was a good model for wcag2ict ?
15:15:03 <LMiller> Mitch11: other audiences like people who are technical and users. Also document structure, it is TBD what format this will be published (stand alone or part of WCAG2ICT) and where it will live
15:15:23 <bruce_bailey> +1 to mitch comment that people applying WCAG to new ADA reg is an important audience
15:15:27 <LMiller> Abstract status, introduction, background, headings that recap what's in ICT
15:15:32 <PhilDay> q+
15:15:47 <PhilDay> ack mitch11
15:15:48 <LMiller> ack bruce_bailey
15:15:49 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to ask about an explainer which i thought was a good model for wcag2ict ?
15:15:52 <maryjom> ac, mitch
15:15:55 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:16:07 <maryjom> q+
15:16:12 <LMiller> bruce_bailey: I didn't see any explainers that were a good model for what we are trying to do
15:16:55 <LMiller> ChrisLoiselle: we shared the template . It is more condensing and applying it.
15:16:55 <maryjom> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-fGSeDg3qjvJTqMOv194uDSHmrbBuYxP0gDkPb01mok/edit?usp=sharing
15:17:01 <PhilDay> ack bruce_bailey
15:17:02 <bruce_bailey> https://tag.w3.org/explainers/
15:17:03 <mitch11> s/that recap what's in ICT/that recap what's in ICT are not needed here/
15:17:05 <LMiller> bruce_bailey: the document starts with good explainers (examples of)
15:17:15 <bruce_bailey> See "examples of good explainers"
15:17:17 <PhilDay> ack maryjom
15:17:45 <LMiller> maryjom: Tuesday's call with AGWG - this is not a traditional explainer for w3c explainers.
15:18:02 <GreggVan> q+
15:18:06 <LMiller> maryjom: so we are calling it an "explainer" but it doesn't fit that well.
15:18:13 <bruce_bailey> thanks MaryJo -- it makes more sense to me now
15:19:02 <LMiller> maryjom: basically strips out abstract.
15:19:07 <maryjom> q?
15:19:10 <LMiller> ack PhilDay
15:19:45 <LMiller> PhilDay: Last time we used google docs, some people had difficulty using them on a screen reader on a mac. Has that been resolved?
15:20:38 <LMiller> ShawnT when we are asking for review it would be a good habit to create a snapshot of the document in word
15:20:45 <ShawnT> q+ to speak to the word doc
15:20:52 <GreggVan> Q+  to say    The legislative document you're referring to is often called a legislative history or legislative intent. These documents include the various notes, reports, drafts, and records of the legislative process that accompanied the creation of a law. They provide insights into the purpose and intent behind the law, and are commonly used by courts and legal professionals to interpret the legislation.
15:20:55 <LMiller> ChrisLoiselle: Taking a note to email a copy of the doc in Word.
15:21:29 <LMiller> ShawnT: what we did with text to speech group. Used word documents in Google drive.
15:22:35 <ShawnT> q-
15:23:44 <LMiller> ack GreggVan
15:23:44 <Zakim> GreggVan, you wanted to say    The legislative document you're referring to is often called a legislative history or legislative intent. These documents include the various notes,
15:23:47 <Zakim> ... reports, drafts, and records of the legislative process that accompanied the creation of a law. They provide insights into the purpose and intent behind the law, and are
15:23:47 <Zakim> ... commonly used by courts and legal professionals to interpret the legislation.
15:24:10 <LMiller> GreggVan uncomfortable with calling it an explainer document
15:24:31 <Sam> supporting document?
15:25:30 <LMiller> ChrisLoiselle: we have removed the abstract. The document speaks for itself, content and goals.
15:25:41 <LMiller> Usage of the WCAG note is really the goal
15:26:40 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:26:43 <PhilDay> q+
15:26:49 <LMiller> ack PhilDay
15:27:03 <LMiller> PhilDay: I take maryjom's point that we should worry about the writing of it.
15:27:12 <LMiller> Are we wondering about how to use it?
15:27:23 <GreggVan> q+
15:27:27 <LMiller> PhilDay: How to use would be a good option.
15:27:32 <LMiller> "How to use" as a title.
15:27:35 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:27:37 <LMiller> ack GreggVan
15:28:02 <LMiller> GreggVan: I don't think it should be a "how to use" document but a "how to interpret" document
15:31:27 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
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15:32:22 <ChrisLoiselle> Intent vs. testing are interrelated however may benefit by being included in future phases of our group. Goal of WCAG2ICT explainer is the intent of the note
15:32:35 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:32:44 <mitch11> q+
15:32:55 <LMiller> ack Mitch11
15:33:30 <LMiller> Mitch11: I agree that working on things that are out of scope or beyond our time limitations should not be done. But we might want to focus on our audience, we should explain that we can't
15:33:43 <LMiller> do something that our audience might be interested in
15:34:31 <LMiller> Mitch 11: We should simply say "We know you want this, the task force was not able to do this" or "this note does not do this"
15:35:22 <LMiller> Chris Loiselle: There is a "what wcag2ict does not do" section. It maps to the note. If it differs from that excluded list, we can add to that list.
15:36:52 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
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15:37:58 <LauraM> scribe: LauraM
15:37:59 <ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7ap7iegfjzp7
15:38:14 <ChrisLoiselle> place comments in the above link if you have any please
15:38:41 <LauraM> @PhilDay did I do that right?
15:38:58 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
15:39:09 <LauraM> zakim, next agenda item
15:39:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WCAG2ICT Issues/PRs status update -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:39:16 <LauraM> zakim, take up next
15:39:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, LauraM
15:39:22 <PhilDay> zakim, take up item 5
15:39:22 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Alignment of subject matter experts (SMEs) with tech stack specific content. -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:40:18 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Would be great if you can self assign sections to add content to the intent document.
15:41:04 <mitch11> q+
15:41:06 <LauraM> How do you want to do this?
15:41:08 <LauraM> ack Mitch11
15:41:49 <LauraM> Mitch11 - I don't see sections to put names on. I see user needs. There are two audiences, standards writers and end users. Writing something addressing those audiences.
15:43:00 <mitch11> q-
15:44:15 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: in terms of the intent document, (not using "explainer" title), intent and usage there could be subheadings for different groups.
15:44:50 <Sam> q+
15:45:15 <mitch11> q+
15:45:52 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:45:54 <LauraM> ack Sam
15:46:27 <LauraM> Sam: The exercise by fleshing this out will help. These are the pillars.
15:46:35 <LauraM> We can refine this into subtopics
15:47:09 <LauraM> We need to agree on the pillars and then put names against the pillars.
15:47:33 <LauraM> q+
15:47:41 <PhilDay> ack LauraM
15:47:43 <LauraM> ack LauraM
15:47:50 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura: What are the pillars?
15:48:05 <ChrisLoiselle> Sam: The heading level items in document.
15:48:07 <LauraM> Sam: The heading level things. The goals and intent/usage and what WCAG does not do. And Background
15:48:41 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura: What it does not do, that is sizeable in itself.
15:49:10 <maryjom> q?
15:49:28 <PhilDay> ack mitch11
15:50:03 <LauraM> Mitch11: Good point Sam, we can start without knowing how it will end. I'm happy to put my name against it but don't know where yet.
15:50:10 <GreggVan> q+
15:50:26 <mitch11> q+
15:50:29 <mitch11> q=
15:50:30 <mitch11> q-
15:50:31 <LauraM> Mitch11: thinking about what the content should say. Did we address those audience's needs or did we fill in sections under a heading (but we'll get there."
15:51:38 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: there are many iterations of the document - things are added and removed. It will be iterative, like anything.
15:51:49 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: whatever time you have is beneficial
15:51:53 <LauraM> Ack Maryjom
15:52:10 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:52:26 <LauraM> ack GreggVan
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15:52:53 <LauraM> GreggVan: We should focus on the sections and how to understand and use them and not on audiences.
15:53:45 <LauraM> GreggVan: we should think about the different audiences but we shouldn't break the document up by audience and addressing them specifically.
15:53:50 <mitch11> +1 what Gregg said
15:56:02 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Acknowledging that Mitch11 has been adding content and we can discuss. It is appreciated.
15:56:11 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
15:58:08 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:58:34 <ChrisLoiselle> o	rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:35 <LauraM> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html LauraM
15:58:44 <ChrisLoiselle> o	Zakim, end meeting
15:58:49 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, end meeting
15:58:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ChrisLoiselle, PhilDay, ShawnT, maryjom, LMiller, bruce_bailey, Sam, mitch, loicm
15:58:51 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:58:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
15:58:58 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ChrisLoiselle; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:58:59 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, bye
15:58:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items