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18:58:08 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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19:06:47 <dmontalvo> scribe: dmontalvo
19:06:59 <dmontalvo> zakim, agenda?
19:06:59 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
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19:08:13 <dmontalvo> Topic: Canceling next week's meeting
19:08:31 <dmontalvo> Matt: I have conflicts. Next meeting would be on the 28th
19:08:36 <dmontalvo> Topic: Publication planning
19:08:51 <dmontalvo> Matt: We did complete publication in December, thank you for people who reviewed
19:09:12 <dmontalvo> ... We got three changes, we didn't get to the high contrast practice
19:09:24 <dmontalvo> ... I created a milestone for February, we have to set a date
19:09:43 <dmontalvo> ... I want to make sure we get comfortable enough for the contrast guidance
19:10:01 <dmontalvo> ... I am proposing the 25, last Tuesday
19:10:16 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Good from our perspective
19:10:42 <dmontalvo> John: There is asynch issue, I made some updates to dark light and I don't see they aree updated in the preview
19:11:16 <dmontalvo> ... I'll be around the rest of the meetings this month
19:12:14 <dmontalvo> Matt: I am going to adjust the milestone to the 25. Right now there are two things: for some we will be adding some stuff
19:12:31 <dmontalvo> ... There are WIP things, so we'll end up with four or five
19:12:47 <dmontalvo> Topic: PR 3194 - Grid and table properties practice editorial fix
19:13:15 <dmontalvo> Matt: This needs a reviewer. A first time contributor submitted it, seems legit
19:13:51 <dmontalvo> ... In the grid and tables property example there's is a misplaced attribute that should be inside the tag
19:14:17 <dmontalvo> Adam: Glad to do that
19:14:25 <dmontalvo> Matt: Will assign you, Adam
19:15:07 <dmontalvo> Topic: PR 2991 - Practice Page for Supporting High Contrast
19:15:36 <dmontalvo> Matt: John, you made a lot of commits last week of December
19:15:47 <dmontalvo> ... But the preview isn't building
19:16:20 <dmontalvo> Jon: I also made some more changes last week and they're not coming through either
19:16:29 <dmontalvo> s/John/Jon/g
19:17:01 <dmontalvo> Matt: Looks like you addressed all of Adam's feedback and Adam approved
19:17:20 <dmontalvo> Matt: Some of the checks are failing, maybe this is affecting the build
19:17:50 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes
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19:18:46 <dmontalvo> Matt: Last change you made, all checks passed.
19:20:15 <dmontalvo> Matt: I know there is some kind of trick to get the other repo to re-build,
19:20:54 <dmontalvo> Mike: I can bring this to Howard's attention
19:21:10 <dmontalvo> Matt: Howard can take care of this
19:21:38 <dmontalvo> Matt: Also, there was editorial work that I wanted to do but I didn't get done, maybe I should complete this before having people look at this again
19:22:25 <dmontalvo> Jon: Changes just updated the light dark to use the light dark function
19:22:53 <dmontalvo> Matt: I just wanted to be as stable as possible. We did have other people who were assigned but didn't get to it yet
19:23:20 <dmontalvo> ... Let's aim for getting all the changes in there before the next meeting so that we can trigger another review round afterwards
19:23:37 <dmontalvo> Mike: Howard may be able to join us
19:23:57 <dmontalvo> Topic: Issue 3174 - Multi-thumb slider hover ring
19:24:25 <dmontalvo> Matt: Could anyone take this on with a PR? Howard made an analysis and it seems pretty straightforward
19:24:47 <dmontalvo> arigilmore: I can assign myself
19:25:28 <dmontalvo> Topic: Issue 3211 - Labeling tablist
19:25:45 <dmontalvo> Matt: Related to feedback from Mike Gower
19:26:21 <dmontalvo> ... Apparently both the tab list pattern and the naming guidance table are requiring a name on a tab list
19:26:52 <dmontalvo> ... When we wrote this we thought it was a good idea, but now we've discovered situations where it may be redundant and end up degrading the experience for screen reader users
19:27:31 <dmontalvo> ... Is the group willing to change this? Should we recommend it or make it discretionary?
19:28:58 <dmontalvo> ... In this particular case, if there is a visual label, we are requiring an aria-labeledby association
19:29:43 <dmontalvo> ... In our example, the lack of association would be problematic
19:30:05 <dmontalvo> ... The question is how frequently the case is for tabs that don't have a visual label and should not have a aria label
19:30:25 <dmontalvo> ... I proposed a couple of conditions at the end of the issue
19:31:55 <dmontalvo> ... Mike has created a PR, haven'tlooked at the wording yet
19:32:19 <dmontalvo> ... I am feeling like this could be either way but I am leaning towards recommended
19:32:35 <dmontalvo> q+ to supportr Matt's comments
19:33:18 <dmontalvo> Siri: Tab list should have labels if there is no previous heading. Should it be required when there is no heading?
19:34:05 <dmontalvo> Jon: If the ARIA spec does not require it we can't require it
19:34:09 <dmontalvo> Matt: We could
19:34:36 <dmontalvo> Jon: If there is a visible label, 100% recommended. And also that people clarify what labels mean
19:34:52 <Matt_King> guidance that naming is unnecessary when both 1) there is no visible text that can serve as a useful name , and 2) individual tab names are sufficiently meaningful.
19:35:54 <jongund> present+ jongund
19:37:25 <dmontalvo> Matt: For example, when tabs are used for navigational purposes, I'd still name the tab list
19:37:34 <dmontalvo> Jon: The above text seems an improvement on what we have
19:37:36 <dmontalvo> Adam: Agree
19:37:54 <dmontalvo> q-
19:38:41 <dmontalvo> Matt: We may have a PR for review by the next meeting, either by Mike or by myself
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19:39:06 <dmontalvo> Topic: 2991 preview generation
19:39:43 <dmontalvo> Howard: I addressed it. Some work was done in the preview generator repo last year, and this should prevent this issue from happening again
19:40:00 <jongund> https://skipto-landmarks-headings.github.io/page-script-5/extensions.html
19:40:07 <dmontalvo> Topic: Skipto
19:40:30 <dmontalvo> Jon: There is a new feature that provides sequential access to headings and landmarks, if anyone has time I'd appreciate any feedback
19:41:23 <dmontalvo> s/new feature/work on a new extension that includes a feature/
19:43:01 <dmontalvo> Jon: You can run this on any browser, which give you shortcuts similar to the navigation features some screen readers have
19:43:18 <dmontalvo> ... It also implements some of the UAAG
19:43:58 <dmontalvo> Matt: It'd be helpful if people in this group help Jon before we circulate this further
19:44:16 <dmontalvo> Topic: Live regions guidance
19:44:37 <dmontalvo> Matt: I refactored that, there is a PR available waiting for volunteers to continue the work
19:44:58 <dmontalvo> Jon: I can take it up after the work on contrast is finished
19:45:14 <dmontalvo> Matt: We also have to redesign how the landmark pages are, they don't follow the rest of APG
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19:46:03 <dmontalvo> Chair: Matt
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