14:54:18 RRSAgent has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:54:22 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-irc 14:56:59 rigo has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 14:57:29 meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD 14:59:49 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 15:01:01 TallTed has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:01:05 rrsagent, make log public 15:01:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:01:33 chair: McCool 15:01:58 present+ Martin_Bauer, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Rigo_Wenning 15:03:01 mjk has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:03:32 McCool has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:04:11 Martin has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:04:18 present+ Frederic_LE, Ken_Zangelin 15:04:55 present+ 15:06:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:06:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:06:13 Charith has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:06:26 topic: minutes review 15:06:46 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Dec-9 15:09:32 mm: any objections to approving the minutes? 15:09:42 ... no objections, approved 15:09:47 topic: agenda 15:10:11 mm: we are having meetings weekly to get started 15:10:29 i|we are|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#January_13%2C_2025 Agenda for today| 15:10:32 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#January_13%2C_2025 15:10:45 ... asking people to add documents to the github repository 15:10:49 present+ Charith_Perera, Dave_Raggett 15:10:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:10:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:11:18 ... would like to clean up the repo as part of the agenda 15:11:27 ... we can gather resources 15:12:19 ... there is a PR to merge the liaison charter document into the reop 15:13:02 q+ 15:13:05 martin: we need to decide how to proceed and develop some simple and concrete initial examples 15:13:26 mm: I think it will be helpful 15:13:36 ... we could work toward a use case 15:14:06 kaz: agree with mccool, thank you Martin 15:14:15 q+ 15:14:18 ... maybe we could use the W3C template 15:14:33 q- 15:14:53 s/W3C tem/W3C WoT's use case tem/ 15:15:12 rigo: discussing use cases would be a really nice idea 15:15:45 ... how does the application layer of WoT relate to NGSI-LD? 15:16:15 ack ri 15:16:50 mm: can we add Martin's initial presentation to the repo? 15:17:02 martin: will go look for it 15:17:49 mm: if you think of something to add, please make a PR to add it 15:18:17 subtopic: liaison document 15:19:11 especially for robotics, the StandICT landscape analysis for digital twins just came out: https://www.standict.eu/landscape-analysis-report/landscape-robotics-standards 15:19:39 mm: the only update is changing language from binding specific to a more general "document" 15:19:41 I guess, this project used NGSI https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/732240/reporting (perhaps as a associated project or usecase, if helpful) 15:20:20 https://oascities.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/SynchroniCity_D2.10.pdf 15:20:26 martin: we could add the NGSI-LD spec but it's large 15:20:58 mm: merged PR #1 15:21:12 subtopic: examples of use cases 15:21:26 mm: makes sense logistically to put them in the repo 15:22:08 ... creates "examples" directory in the repo 15:22:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:22:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:22:46 mm: we can also link to external documents 15:23:17 i|examples of use|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/pull/1 wot-ngsi-ld PR 1 - Create liaison.md| 15:23:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:23:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:23:37 mm: it would be useful to brainstorm some topics 15:23:52 ... functional clustering of resources? 15:24:14 rigo: it describes how to cluster things in a complex system 15:24:20 q? 15:24:33 q+ rigo 15:24:36 ack r 15:25:05 ... for WoT there is a consistent interface, then how do you cluster for example hundreds of sensors 15:25:41 ... it's a simplification of workflows 15:25:44 q+ 15:26:26 mm: in a WoT TD, there can be multiple devices and separate functions 15:26:51 ... TDs are linked data 15:27:11 q? 15:27:34 q+ martin 15:27:36 mm: are there any other thoughts on categories of examples 15:27:38 ack ma 15:27:58 martin: let's check the use case in the primer for a starting place 15:28:22 mm: this could become a to-do action item 15:29:01 kaz: agree, we could start with a brainstorm around smart city use cases 15:29:44 s/around/use cases including/ 15:29:53 q+ 15:29:55 mm: at a previous meeting, we discussed using WoT to model digital twins 15:29:57 ack k 15:30:29 s/city use cases/city use cases rather than strict description according to the WoT template/ 15:30:44 mm: another use case is using TD to onboard devices 15:30:50 s/including/possibly including/ 15:30:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:30:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:31:07 ... another case is describing a northbound interface for digital twins 15:31:17 ack ri 15:32:20 McCool has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:32:33 rigo: there is a landscape analyzer as a negative example, it is only a list of specifications and doesn't explain how the standards relate to another 15:32:57 s/a brainstorm use cases/a brainstorm around use cases/ 15:33:10 martin: agree, we don't want a list and would rather keep things fsmall and compact 15:33:18 s/fsmall/small 15:33:49 mm: what are the subcategories of digital twin, i.e. location, device shadow, etc 15:34:14 rigo: we should clearly define our boundaries 15:34:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:34:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:34:49 ... from a legal perspective 15:34:56 ... there is no upper bound on what can be done 15:35:34 mm: safety and privacy are not unique to smart cities 15:35:57 ... not a data model problem in general 15:36:01 q+ 15:36:17 ... not sure also what WoT brings to the table 15:36:52 ack k 15:37:20 kaz: part of the brainstorming is noting which topics fall under WoT/NGSI-LD 15:37:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:37:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:38:05 rigo: an example is a sensor that has built-in security logic that can interoperate with a smart data management system 15:38:57 ... for example, a block in the TD containing this metadata can allow smarter data management by pushing it down to a lower level 15:39:45 martin: what is the functional part of this interface? 15:40:33 mm: it reminds me of functional items for safety we discussed in WoT some time back 15:40:54 mm: there are policies and rules that have metadata support 15:41:11 rigo: this is precisely what I am talking about 15:41:33 q? 15:42:08 Charith has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:42:23 mjk: another item is what is the scope of things that can be modeled using TD that may not have digital interfaces 15:42:55 mm: OK, I will commit this now, please create separate .md files for things that are added 15:43:08 q? 15:43:34 mm: that is all I had for the agenda 15:43:44 ... next meeting is January 20th 15:44:30 mm: are there any other items for the agenda today? 15:44:47 ... ideally we will have some PRs to review next week 15:45:08 ... is there any other discussion or business for today? 15:45:23 ... OK, let's adjourn for today 15:45:33 [adjourned] 15:45:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:45:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/13-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz