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13:44:52 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group
13:45:04 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Details 2025-01-10: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2025Jan/0004.html
13:45:05 <ivan> Chair: wendy
13:45:05 <ivan> Date: 2025-01-10
13:45:05 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group Telco
13:45:06 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2025Jan/0004.html
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14:05:09 <wendyreid> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/pmwg-recharter/
14:05:39 <ivan> q+
14:06:05 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:06:11 <SueNeu> wendyreid The charter is up with the W3C
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14:07:13 <AvneeshSingh> q+
14:07:17 <wendyreid> ack AvneeshSingh
14:07:20 <SueNeu> Ivan: we did get one comment on the charter, that the charter is missing reference to 1.2 accessibility standard. Are there any reasons we wouldn’t want to change the version number
14:07:59 <SueNeu> Avneesh: There is no strong reason, we had a clear agenda on 1.1, right now we don’t have such a definitive list for 1.2
14:08:28 <LaurentLM> present+ laurent
14:08:48 <SueNeu> Ivan: we use 3.4 for the placeholder version, that should be OK for the accessibllitiy
14:09:25 <SueNeu> wendyreid: we want to talk a little bit about work load
14:09:39 <SueNeu> wendyreid: and the timing and cadence of meetings
14:10:06 <tzviya> s/Avneesh There is no/Avneesh: There is no
14:10:32 <SueNeu> wendyreid: do we still want to alternate times?
14:11:17 <duga9> q+
14:11:29 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:11:40 <SueNeu> George: I am OK with this time, and the alternative might push into other things. Especially if it avoids breaking out an Asian meeting
14:12:16 <ivan> q+
14:12:30 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:12:58 <SueNeu> duga9: Setting the time for this meeting is a thankless job. If this time works for most people, lets keep it. It wastes everyones time to have multiple meetings
14:13:21 <SueNeu> Ivan: we have set up this meeting to be a fixed time in Japan, but the time will change in other regions
14:13:54 <SueNeu> Wendy: We don’t have any friends from Apple or Google, and they are on the west coast. This time might not be good for them…
14:14:01 <shiestyle> q+
14:14:06 <wendyreid> ack shiestyle
14:14:33 <SueNeu> ... perhaps we should consider changing the day. With the consideration that this is part of the weekend in Japan
14:14:59 <SueNeu> shiestyle: It is now 11pm on Friday night in Japan. Perhaps another day would be better than every Friday night
14:15:27 <SueNeu> wendyreid: I’ll set up a survey, perhaps this time is good, but we could consider another day
14:16:28 <SueNeu> wendyreid: taskforces. Should we set up task forces that work separately and report back to the main meeting?
14:16:54 <SueNeu> George: Doodle has gotten more accessible
14:17:20 <tzviya> https://savvycal.com/
14:17:21 <SueNeu> tzviya: I’ve used SavvyCal, it is better for usability and privacy
14:17:44 <SueNeu> Ivan: let’s use SavvyCal if is a better tool
14:18:06 <duga9> q+
14:18:06 <SueNeu> wendyreid: to the taskforce model question…
14:18:12 <wendyreid> ack duga9
14:18:15 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:18:27 <SueNeu> ... we are already doing this for the accessiblity tf
14:18:27 <AvneeshSingh> q+
14:19:13 <ivan> q+
14:19:14 <wendyreid> ack AvneeshSingh
14:19:15 <SueNeu> duga9: taskforce can make it easier to know who is in charge of what, or it can make for 4 or more meetings per week
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14:20:05 <SueNeu> AvneeshSingh: Taskforce is the normal model used in the W3C. Do we have people who are ready to takeover the taskforce?
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14:20:39 <SueNeu> AvneeeshSingh: If we don’t it can fall back on the chairs. So we should be flexible
14:20:40 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:21:20 <SueNeu> Ivan: Maybe what we should experiment with is to have for each semi-taskforce, one person who drives it…
14:21:39 <SueNeu> ... that person should decide if separate meetings are required…
14:22:21 <wendyreid> ack LaurentLM
14:22:21 <SueNeu> ... we have several areas of interest. We should start by identifying people who can drive the main sub areas.
14:23:01 <SueNeu> LaurentM: We are not enough people to have separate calls. But some areas will only be of interest to some parts of the community…
14:23:10 <SueNeu> ... but duplicate calls are unmanageable
14:24:19 <SueNeu> wendyreid: we are looking at a lot of meetings because we have taken on a lot…
14:24:44 <SueNeu> ... If we can get leads for the main sub areas, like annotations and webtoons…
14:25:20 <SueNeu> ... I’ll continue with fxl accessibility
14:26:09 <SueNeu> LaurentM: I will be OK to lead annotation because we are implementing first shot of annotation support, we have some expertise…
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14:26:32 <wendyreid> ack duga
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14:29:04 <wendyreid> ack George
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14:32:36 <SueNeu8> Ivan: We have taskforce leaders for fixed layout– wendyreid
14:33:20 <SueNeu8> …we have LaurenM for annotation
14:33:20 <SueNeu8> …we have shiestyle for webtoons
14:33:24 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:33:54 <SueNeu8> duga9: We should likely have a single taskforce for comics and webtoons
14:34:03 <ivan> q+
14:34:11 <shiestyle> s/shiestyle/shiestyle and Hadrien/
14:34:16 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:34:57 <SueNeu8> Ivan: two more things, one issue is editorship. We still have to have an agreement with Matt if he will continue doing the editorship
14:35:18 <SueNeu8> …we have two editors, Matt and I, Matt is driving.
14:35:40 <SueNeu8> …with the taskforces, we have to identify people willing to edit.
14:36:31 <SueNeu8> …additionally, the load of reviewing the spec, horizontal reviews, is important to consider
14:37:03 <SueNeu8> …one way to handle this is to have one person responsible for looking at horizontal issues, like internationalization issues
14:37:25 <SueNeu8> …across all documents. They can quickly contact the required groups
14:37:46 <SueNeu8> …we don’t need to decide this today but soon
14:38:08 <SueNeu8> tzviya: Github is our horizontal monitor but it is a lot of work
14:38:20 <SueNeu8> Ivan: I am happy to look at internationalization
14:38:46 <SueNeu8> wendyreid: our last topic, face to face meeting
14:39:06 <SueNeu8> …we thought it would be a good idea to have a meeting in the spring.
14:39:11 <rickj> q+
14:39:16 <wendyreid> ack rickj
14:39:27 <SueNeu8> …following the charter, maybe April or May
14:40:00 <SueNeu8> wendyreid: the ac meeting is in April this year, in France
14:40:01 <CharlesL> I can't make it either.
14:40:31 <SueNeu8> LaurentM, ivan, Rick, and wendyreid will be there
14:41:04 <SueNeu8> s/LaurentM/LaurentLM
14:41:45 <SueNeu8> Ivan: we will have a face to face meeting in Japan later this year so we shouldn’t have two in one year
14:42:25 <SueNeu8> LaurentLM: perhaps we can extend our stay at the AC meeting
14:43:10 <SueNeu8> tzviya: I am not available at that time
14:43:31 <SueNeu8> wendyreid: could we have it in Paris before?
14:44:02 <SueNeu8> LaurentLM: I can help organize that. Maybe it is easier to find another room in Sophia, maybe on Sunday
14:44:21 <SueNeu8> …it is a pretty long train ride from Paris
14:44:53 <SueNeu8> Hadrien: maybe people coming from abroad are coming to Paris or Nice
14:45:35 <SueNeu8> ivan: should we put this into the same survey as the meeting days/times?
14:45:48 <SueNeu8> wendyreid: we should come up with a list of options
14:45:54 <tzviya> q+
14:46:21 <SueNeu8> ivan: maybe we should look into getting a room in Sophia
14:46:26 <wendyreid> ack tzviya
14:46:51 <SueNeu8> tzviya: we were unable to get a new member meeting room on Sunday but had an issue
14:47:34 <SueNeu8> ivan: can we choose anytime in Paris?
14:48:06 <SueNeu8> Hadrien: we can find a venue in Paris without a problem
14:48:53 <SueNeu8> duga9: does anyone know when the visa requirements start for Americans?
14:49:13 <rickj> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-an-electronic-travel-authorisation-eta
14:50:23 <rickj> https://etias.com
14:50:23 <SueNeu8> wendyreid: the UK one has changed dates several times but it looks like mid-2025
14:50:30 <LaurentLM> https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en
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