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14:59:31 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:59:32 <maryjom> zakim, clear agenda
14:59:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:59:41 <maryjom> chair: Mary Jo Mueller
14:59:49 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
14:59:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/09-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
15:00:05 <maryjom> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
15:00:05 <Zakim> ok, maryjom
15:00:36 <maryjom> agenda+ Announcements
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15:00:54 <loicmn> present+
15:00:57 <maryjom> agenda+ WCAG2ICT Phase 2 Work Statement
15:01:06 <ShawnT> present+
15:01:11 <maryjom> Agenda+ WCAG2ICT Explainer Outline
15:01:16 <maryjom> present+
15:01:34 <ChrisLoiselle> present+
15:01:37 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
15:01:50 <dmontalvo> present- dmontalvo
15:01:54 <maryjom> regrets: Shadi
15:02:45 <ChrisLoiselle> scribe: ChrisLoiselle
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15:02:57 <mitch11> present+
15:02:57 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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15:03:06 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, take up next
15:03:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:03:21 <GreggVan> present+
15:03:40 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Announcements. Mobile Accessibility Task Force is hoping for first public working draft of their document.
15:03:47 <GreggVan> q+
15:04:16 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg and I have expressed some concerns back in December. It incorporates WCAG2ICT , however extends some requirements.
15:04:53 <ChrisLoiselle> Chuck and I are talking through WCAG2ICT
15:05:12 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/matf  is the link for where Mobile Task force is capturing their work.
15:06:03 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: This is my last WCAG2ICT meeting before I retire.
15:06:58 <ChrisLoiselle> I will be contributing to volunteer.  I will post some links regarding AT everywhere.
15:07:27 <ChrisLoiselle> Happy Retirement!
15:08:14 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Glad you are sticking around, happy retirement, wish you the best!
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15:08:34 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, take up next
15:08:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ChrisLoiselle
15:08:42 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:08:46 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:08:52 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, take up next
15:08:53 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- WCAG2ICT Phase 2 Work Statement -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:09:05 <maryjom> https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2Fabout%2Fgroups%2Ftask-forces%2Fwcag2ict%2Fwork-statement%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fdeploy-preview-942--wai-website.netlify.app%2Fabout%2Fgroups%2Ftask-forces%2Fwcag2ict%2Fwork-statement%2F
15:09:17 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I've placed the diff in IRC so we can go through it.
15:09:28 <maryjom> https://deploy-preview-942--wai-website.netlify.app/about/groups/task-forces/wcag2ict/work-statement/
15:10:22 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I did some updates to various sections to match what we had listed the scope of work.
15:11:02 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:12:21 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Walks through the Status of Document, Objective, etc. while sharing her screen per the deploy preview link https://deploy-preview-942--wai-website.netlify.app/about/groups/task-forces/wcag2ict/work-statement/
15:12:59 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:13:05 <dmontalvo> q+
15:13:15 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: On status, does anyone have any further feedback?
15:13:16 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:13:22 <maryjom> ack dmontalvo
15:13:48 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Maybe we change ensure to propose?
15:13:55 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:14:12 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Not sure we can ensure.
15:14:27 <GreggVan> q=
15:14:38 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Rachael asked thus wanted to allude to that.
15:14:53 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: I would use propose content rather than ensure.
15:14:54 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:15:11 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:15:34 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: We can't ensure future AG charters, but we can plan.
15:15:46 <maryjom> The WCAG2ICT Task Force plans that future AG WG charters include further maintenance of this important guidance.
15:16:25 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: I'm good with that edit.
15:16:26 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:16:56 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Moving on to Objective section.  I modified last 3 paragraphs to be clearer.
15:17:34 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:18:10 <mitch11> q+
15:18:18 <mitch11> to wordsmith this: Phase 1 of WCAG2ICT also added new content that identifies problematic WCAG success criteria when applied to non-Web ICT
15:18:19 <ChrisLoiselle> Objective keeps open what the deliverable is per what the key content is.
15:18:20 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:18:28 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:18:45 <mitch11> proposed: Phase 1 of WCAG2ICT also added new content that identifies WCAG success criteria that are problematic when applied to non-Web ICT
15:19:17 <ChrisLoiselle> +1 to Mitch's edit
15:19:32 <loicmn> +1
15:19:38 <ChrisLoiselle> ?
15:19:40 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:19:41 <GreggVan> Q+
15:19:52 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:20:27 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: I would like to edit Mitch's proposal. Adding "If applied verbatim" or something like that.
15:20:39 <loicmn> q+ to highlight minor editorial in first sentence of paragraph 4 of Objective
15:20:39 <mitch11> q+
15:20:54 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:20:58 <maryjom> ack loicmn
15:20:58 <Zakim> loicmn, you wanted to highlight minor editorial in first sentence of paragraph 4 of Objective
15:21:07 <Sam> +1 to mich without verbatim
15:21:15 <ChrisLoiselle> Loic: I have a later edit, I can wait
15:21:18 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:22:14 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: I don't think we have language like verbatim in , as we are looking to apply as written so I don't prefer verbatim.
15:22:16 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:22:22 <GreggVan> q+
15:22:37 <ChrisLoiselle> Sam: Mitch captures the point I wanted to make.
15:22:40 <ChrisLoiselle> Q?
15:23:15 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: We can take out verbatim part out. Mitch is right, we are identifying them. Perhaps "Some non-web ICT".
15:23:21 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: I would be in favor of that.
15:23:22 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:23:36 <maryjom> Phase 1 of WCAG2ICT also added new content that identifies WCAG success criteria that are problematic when applied to some non-web ICT.
15:23:45 <loicmn> +1
15:23:48 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch and Gregg agreement on "some".
15:23:49 <dmontalvo> q+
15:23:49 <ShawnT> +1
15:23:50 <mitch11> +1
15:23:51 <ChrisLoiselle> +1
15:23:53 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:24:00 <GreggVan> +1
15:24:04 <maryjom> ack GreggVan
15:24:46 <dmontalvo> q-
15:24:48 <ChrisLoiselle> Loic: First sentence of last paragraph ... "to development content"
15:24:56 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:25:09 <maryjom> First sentence of last paragraph: Editorial change - In addition, the task force would like to develop content to address misunderstandings
15:25:16 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: I defer to Loic as we were reading same thing.
15:25:16 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:26:05 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: Question on guidelines vs. success criteria are we including both?
15:26:25 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: We covered thus has old phase plus new phase , so yes to your question.
15:26:26 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:27:06 <mitch11> remove "and" from this bullet: address challenges in Open issues labeled WCAG2ICT (completed in Phase 1); and
15:27:19 <mitch11> q+ to say the above
15:27:27 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:27:27 <Zakim> mitch, you wanted to say the above
15:27:35 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Now reviewing scope of work.
15:28:21 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: either have "and" everywhere or clean up the semi colon .
15:28:31 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Will edit to remove and everywhere
15:28:33 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:28:37 <maryjom> Clean up the ;and and last period out of the in-scope bullets.
15:29:08 <maryjom> Clean up semicolons too in that list.
15:29:32 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:29:41 <maryjom> s/that list./that list and the out-of-scope list.
15:30:02 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Moving on to approach section.
15:31:18 <ChrisLoiselle> Removed the liaison part as Chuck no longer attending regularly. We are sending AG our work still.
15:31:20 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:32:22 <ShawnT> q+
15:32:43 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:32:54 <maryjom> ack shawnT
15:33:13 <ChrisLoiselle> ShawnT: On "all publicly visible", should we link out to GitHub?
15:33:40 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I think we can provide a link to that, yes.
15:33:48 <dmontalvo> q+
15:33:56 <Sam> +1 to Shawn comment.  maybe the wcag2ict group main page on W3c
15:34:03 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict perhaps?
15:34:12 <ShawnT> .. on github
15:34:25 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Need to be more clear on what we are referencing.
15:35:09 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Perhaps we remove public comment lists and no longer need a link.
15:35:10 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:35:41 <maryjom> Last paragraph of the approach section remove "through publicly available comment lists" from the first sentence.
15:36:06 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:36:16 <dmontalvo> ack me
15:36:16 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Moving to timeline section.
15:36:20 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:36:56 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Updated phase 1 deliverables what we accomplished , shared the diff file on her screen to showcase updates.
15:36:58 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:37:35 <ChrisLoiselle> Phase 2, scope of work link not showcasing , shows markdown
15:37:49 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:37:50 <maryjom> Timeline phase 2 - fixe scope of work section link.
15:38:37 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: To Daniel, do I need to update otherwise?
15:39:05 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: I made a comment on the PR for the markdown link on phase 2.
15:39:46 <GreggVan> q+
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15:40:20 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: I want to make sure that the language doesn't exclude fixing something we've done in Phase 1.
15:40:23 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:40:43 <PhilDay> Apologies for my extremely tardy appearance.
15:41:07 <GreggVan> ack greggvan
15:41:17 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: It is included in scope of work section , just didn't want to repeat content
15:41:22 <ChrisLoiselle> Gregg: Perfect.
15:41:23 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:42:15 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Liaisons section . We are established, so updated that. Participants list is where this information is found.
15:42:16 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:42:28 <ChrisLoiselle> Communication and Participation sections were unchanged.
15:42:46 <mitch11> q+
15:42:46 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:43:18 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: estimated to complete by June 2023 needs to be updated
15:43:40 <ChrisLoiselle> Chris: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki/Schedule-and-milestones has our updated dates, if helpful MaryJo.
15:43:44 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:44:12 <maryjom> Participation section, remove "estimated to complete by June 2023" from the first bullet.
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15:44:49 <loicmn> present+
15:44:54 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: Minor edit on Liaisons. "Potentially Others" phrasing may be deleted as not necessary
15:44:56 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:45:14 <dmontalvo> q+
15:45:22 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:45:23 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: That was a remnant of establishment. Perhaps an option on phrasing.
15:45:24 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:45:50 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Read this as other regulators , etc. So particular to this bullet.
15:45:51 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:45:57 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Suggests to keep
15:46:01 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Will keep then.
15:46:02 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:46:11 <dmontalvo> ack me
15:46:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Facilitation section. To Daniel, can we remove the Liasson to AG WG?
15:47:04 <maryjom> Check with chuck on Facilitation section to maybe remove the bullet "Liaison to AG WG: one of the AG WG co-chairs".
15:47:17 <ChrisLoiselle> Daniel: Let us discuss with Chuck on removing this from Facilitation section.
15:47:17 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:47:33 <ChrisLoiselle> editors and patent policy does not change.
15:47:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: Perhaps we can come to an agreement once the editorials have been updated, that we can send to AG working group.
15:48:00 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:48:24 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:48:34 <maryjom> DRAFT RESOLUTION: Once all of the noted edits have been incorporated into the work statement, it is ready to send to the AG WG for review and approval.
15:48:38 <PhilDay> +1
15:48:39 <loicmn> +1
15:48:39 <ChrisLoiselle> +1
15:48:42 <mitch11> +1
15:48:43 <ShawnT> +1
15:48:53 <Sam> +1
15:49:07 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:49:12 <GreggVan> +1
15:49:22 <maryjom> RESOLUTION: Once all of the noted edits have been incorporated into the work statement, it is ready to send to the AG WG for review and approval.
15:50:16 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, take up next
15:50:16 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- WCAG2ICT Explainer Outline -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:51:11 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: On Explainer , we may not publish this as a document or we may.
15:51:41 <mitch11> q+
15:51:48 <ChrisLoiselle> What do folks think about adjusting to just provide introduction content through rest of document?
15:51:59 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I'd like to give outline to AG so they can review.
15:52:07 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:52:49 <maryjom> ack mitch
15:53:07 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: I am in favor of making it bare bones vs. drafting and writing at this point.
15:53:22 <ChrisLoiselle> I'm not sure explainer is write word at moment.
15:53:27 <PhilDay> +1 to potential confusion on the word explainer!
15:53:35 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:53:46 <ChrisLoiselle> Mitch: This is not like the w3 explainer
15:53:48 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:54:50 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: We want to make sure we aren't giving guidance to policy makers.
15:55:32 <mitch11> q+
15:55:39 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:56:03 <mitch11> q-
15:56:15 <ChrisLoiselle> Mary Jo: I will send a follow up via email to respond
15:56:35 <ChrisLoiselle> I will send to the list
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15:56:55 <ChrisLoiselle> looking for +1 to send to AGWG
15:58:01 <ChrisLoiselle> Goal is to be on Tuesday's agenda and then get on with work.
15:58:28 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/09-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
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15:58:56 <PhilDay> Thanks all.
15:59:22 <maryjom> zakim, end meeting
15:59:22 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been loicmn, ShawnT, maryjom, ChrisLoiselle, Daniel, mitch, GreggVan
15:59:25 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:59:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/09-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
15:59:32 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, maryjom; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:59:51 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
15:59:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items