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13:38:54 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk
13:38:59 <matatk> meeting: APA Weekly Telecon
13:39:02 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:39:02 <matatk> agenda+ [Re-chartering](https://www.w3.org/2023/07/apa-wg-charter)
13:39:02 <matatk> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:39:02 <matatk> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
13:39:04 <matatk> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:39:04 <matatk> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:39:04 <matatk> agenda+ Other business
13:39:05 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
13:39:06 <matatk> chair: Matthew
13:39:08 <matatk> present+
13:39:10 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
13:39:11 <Zakim> Present: matatk
13:39:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, kirkwood, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff, vmpstr, jyasskin, Rachael, tink, jcraig
13:39:14 <matatk> agenda?
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14:59:48 <janina> present+
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15:00:55 <matatk> agenda?
15:01:21 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
15:01:21 <Zakim> Present: matatk, janina
15:01:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see PaulG, matatk, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, kirkwood, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff, vmpstr, jyasskin, Rachael, tink, jcraig
15:01:23 <PaulG> present+
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15:05:11 <matatk> q?
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15:06:31 <janina> scribe+
15:06:46 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:06:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
15:06:55 <IrfanA> scribe+
15:06:55 <NehaJ> present+
15:07:19 <janina> subtopic: CTAUR CfC
15:07:52 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2025Jan/0000.html
15:08:05 <Demelza> present+
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15:09:18 <Fredrik> present+
15:09:38 <IrfanA> janina: candidate publications . there is call for consensus for the following documents.
15:09:38 <IrfanA>  	https://raw.githack.com/w3c/ctaur/FPWD-2022/index.html
15:09:38 <IrfanA> *	CTAUR was developed by our Research Questions Task Force (RQTF) over the past 2.5 years. It's FPWD was published in October 2022, and we published a second wide review draft in June 2024. RQTF's resolution requesting publication of the above snapshot version as an APA Note is recorded here:
15:09:38 <IrfanA> 	https://www.w3.org/2025/01/08-rqtf-minutes.html#2b8e
15:09:40 <IrfanA> *	The W3C Note track process is described here:
15:09:40 <IrfanA> 	https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#note-track
15:09:51 <IrfanA> please review and comment
15:10:15 <janina> subtopic: Special APA Telecon on Music Tech this Friday
15:11:00 <IrfanA> janina: organizational meeting to know who wants to talk about music tech.
15:11:35 <IrfanA> janina: we may have a lot of work on this and willing to facilitate
15:11:39 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/29ae9446-29a6-4a1e-b91f-6221a41ed0b8/
15:11:58 <IrfanA> janina: coming friday at 9AM we are meeting to discuss this.
15:13:05 <IrfanA> matatk: it should have gone to everybody. make sure that you can access the link. if not, reach out to Janina, Roy, or Matthew
15:13:13 <matatk> q?
15:13:14 <janina> q?
15:13:21 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [Re-chartering](https://www.w3.org/2023/07/apa-wg-charter) -- taken up [from matatk]
15:14:08 <janina> matatk: Notes the biannual rechartering heartbeat--it's now our time to recharter
15:14:39 <janina> matatk: Notes we review charters so should be familiar: mission, remit, scope, deliverables
15:15:00 <IrfanA> matatk: every couple of years, the working group must renew the charter which is a standard process.
15:15:06 <janina> matatk: If we previously promissed a deliverable--we update. Complete? Not? If not, why?
15:15:37 <janina> matatk: Notes APA participants are almost all in at one APA TF. We need info on deliverables to add to draft charter
15:15:53 <janina> q?
15:16:54 <janina> matatk: Also note any new deliverables
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15:17:28 <steveF> present+
15:17:43 <steveF> apologies for my lateness
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15:19:27 <IrfanA> janina: we need TF inputs by end of January on current charter.
15:20:08 <IrfanA> Fazio: if you send me the repo, I can work on this and create a github issue if required.
15:20:20 <matatk> q?
15:20:44 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:20:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from matatk]
15:21:05 <JenStrickland> Do we have style guides for our documents? I notice that we are not using the Oxford comma in the CTAUR document, for example.
15:21:26 <IrfanA> matatk: Jen is asking if we have a styleguide for our document
15:22:05 <IrfanA> janina: APA mostly follow oxford commas
15:22:10 <matatk> subtopic: Input events
15:22:10 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/95
15:22:10 <matatk> Due: 2024-12-19
15:23:01 <Fazio> present+style guide https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Style
15:23:08 <janina> matatk: Most recently review by Dr Keith and Matthew -- No concerns presently
15:23:36 <janina> matatk: Noted 2017 era requests unconfirmed -- Implemented? Not? We don't know
15:23:49 <janina> matatk: May have not been sufficiently clear
15:24:10 <janina> matatk: We wanted notification to a11y api of a text change
15:25:49 <janina> matatk: This one of the two we don't have an update on
15:27:42 <janina> matatk: Notes we're still discovering history that was minuted
15:28:01 <janina> matatk: Asks Janina to help find Lyon TPAC minutes conversation
15:28:32 <matatk> q?
15:28:54 <matatk> subtopic: WebRTC API
15:28:54 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/98
15:28:54 <matatk> Due: 2025-01-31
15:30:42 <matatk> janina: will look this week
15:31:17 <matatk> subtopic: Final Review Request of seven (7) W3C VCWG Specifications
15:31:18 <janina> matatk: Notes most changelogs are human readable
15:31:33 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/99
15:31:49 <matatk> Due: about now-ish
15:33:21 <matatk> subtopic: WebCodecs
15:33:21 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/97
15:33:21 <matatk> Due: 2025-02-28
15:34:09 <janina> matatk: Is this a path to separate foreground/background audio? To minimize audio distractions?
15:34:28 <janina> janina: The MAUR calls it Clear Audio
15:34:58 <janina> matatk: Notes mentioned in TAG to check possibilities
15:35:33 <janina> matatk: Notes due end of February
15:35:56 <janina> Fredrik: Will help
15:36:20 <janina> NehaJ: Also me
15:37:32 <janina> matatk: [On ACT rules] Resuming a review ...
15:37:47 <janina> matatk: Was an email in December
15:38:17 <janina> regrets+ Roy
15:38:39 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/11185
15:39:34 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:39:34 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from matatk]
15:40:14 <matatk> subtopic: Update the Writing Testable Outcomes Document
15:40:14 <matatk> source: w3c/wcag3#47
15:40:14 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/217
15:41:13 <janina> matatk: Is guidance howto objectively test WCAG3 normative requirements
15:42:02 <janina> matatk: Currently looking on updating maturity levels within the WCAG; not our more global mm
15:42:08 <Fazio> Again, I think they should stop using that verbiage "maturity"
15:42:20 <janina> matatk: Wondering whether it's a labeling problem--maybe they mislabeled in our repo
15:42:31 <Fazio> q+
15:43:15 <janina> Fazio: The terminology clashes with our mm; we need to resolve to avoid confusions
15:43:31 <janina> matatk: Recalls initial conversation at TPAC
15:44:10 <janina> matatk: We can figure out how to go further
15:46:07 <IrfanA> ack fazio
15:46:25 <matatk> subtopic: [focusgroup] clarify and handle cases where scrollable regions have focusgroups (accessiblity)
15:46:25 <matatk> source: openui/open-ui#1008
15:46:25 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/190
15:48:33 <IrfanA> matatk: Is anybody involved with OpenAI work?
15:49:02 <janina> Fredrik: I am interested; could be involved
15:49:24 <janina> matatk: Not CSS scroll; but related
15:49:49 <janina> matatk: Chairs can do a bit of triage aqnd then return to an APA agenda
15:50:02 <matatk> q?
15:50:07 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:50:07 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from matatk]
15:50:14 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/11185
15:50:30 <janina> PaulG: A change to native behavior
15:50:44 <janina> PaulG: Will trigger hover when hovering over li items
15:50:54 <janina> PaulG: So an optin
15:51:17 <janina> matatk: Changing default style sheet
15:51:27 <janina> PaulG: No, the power of css to control such things
15:51:43 <janina> matatk: Only mentions hover, not focus ...
15:52:14 <janina> PaulG: Select would still have the focus, no?
15:52:50 <janina> PaulG: There's proposals for hover-stop, etc
15:53:22 <janina> PaulG: we now have more control over native widgets, and this is some outcome
15:54:34 <janina> matatk: Should picker get focus? Platforms diverge; but the sudo helping this make more distinct
15:54:54 <matatk> q?
15:56:16 <janina> zakim, end meeting
15:56:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, PaulG, Dr_Keith, IrfanA, JonCohn, JenStrickland, NehaJ, Demelza, Fredrik, steveF, style, guide,
15:56:19 <Zakim> ... https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Style
15:56:19 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:56:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/01/08-apa-minutes.html Zakim
15:56:27 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:02:26 <janina> rrsagent, bye
16:02:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items