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13:34:14 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:34:22 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:34:26 <janina> Date 11 Dec 2024
13:34:43 <janina> Chair: Matthew
13:37:33 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:37:33 <janina> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
13:37:36 <janina> agenda+ [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html)
13:37:39 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:37:41 <janina> agenda+ [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
13:37:44 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
13:37:47 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:37:49 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:37:52 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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14:55:38 <janina> regrets: Demelza Feltham, Gottfried_Zimmerman, Jennifer_Strickland
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15:00:10 <PaulG> present+
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15:01:22 <matatk> agenda?
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15:01:57 <niklasegger> scribe+
15:02:04 <janina> present+
15:02:05 <JF> Present+
15:02:21 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
15:02:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:02:23 <JF> aenda?
15:02:27 <JF> aenda?
15:02:36 <JF> agenda?
15:02:53 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:02:53 <Zakim> Present: PaulG, Fazio, niklasegger, matatk, janina, JF
15:02:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, matatk, niklasegger, Fazio, PaulG, gautierchomel, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, gb, dmontalvo, hdv, ada, chrishtr, slightlyoff, vmpstr, jyasskin, Rachael,
15:02:55 <Zakim> ... tink, jcraig
15:03:51 <janina> Chair: matatk
15:04:00 <gautierchomel> last minut regrets for me, with apologises.
15:04:00 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/11-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:04:09 <niklasegger> janina: I would like to welcome back John (JF)
15:04:55 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
15:04:55 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) -- taken up [from janina]
15:05:00 <matatk> regrets+ gautierchomel
15:05:13 <Roy_Ruoxi> present+
15:05:37 <niklasegger> matak: Nothing new this week
15:05:43 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
15:05:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:05:43 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:43 <Zakim> 3. [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html) [from janina]
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15:05:45 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
15:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html) -- taken up [from janina]
15:06:00 <NehaJ> present+
15:06:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Open Screen Application Protocol
15:06:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Open_Screen_Application_Protocol
15:06:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/openscreen-application/
15:06:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Open Screen Network Protocol
15:06:10 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Open_Screen_Network_Protocol
15:06:10 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/openscreen-network/
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15:06:32 <Roy_Ruoxi> splitting the Open Screen Protocol document into two independent parts
15:06:38 <steveF> present+
15:06:43 <Roy_Ruoxi> Open Screen Protocol -> https://www.w3.org/TR/openscreenprotocol/
15:06:55 <Roy_Ruoxi> reviewed at 2022 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Open_Screen_Protocol
15:06:55 <mike_beganyi> present+
15:07:29 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: They splitted the previous document in these two now
15:08:38 <JF> Q+
15:09:04 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: We didn't file a issue last time
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15:09:33 <matatk> ack JF
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15:10:31 <niklasegger> matatk: Can you stream only one or do you have to send both (audio and video)? Our question from last time. I think we should first look at the documents if this changed
15:10:49 <Fazio> depends how its rendered by final cut or other app
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15:12:43 <Fredrik> Welcome back from the wilderness, John!
15:12:45 <JonCohn> presnet+
15:13:24 <Fredrik> So are you then John Foliothothothot?
15:13:28 <niklasegger> JF: matatk you can assign me to this spec, what is the due day? First week of january sounds doable
15:13:52 <matatk> action: JF to check if Open Screen can stream audio only - due 2025-01-08
15:14:06 <matatk> gb, status
15:14:06 <gb> matatk, the delay is 15, issues are off, names are off, full issues are printed 10 at a time; and the repository is https://github.com/w3c/apa
15:15:12 <Roy_Ruoxi> gb, help
15:15:12 <gb> Roy_Ruoxi, I am a bot to look up and create GitHub issues and
15:15:13 <gb> … action items. I am an instance of GHURLBot 0.5.
15:15:13 <gb> … Try gb, help commands or
15:15:13 <gb> … see https://w3c.github.io/GHURLBot/manual.html
15:15:32 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
15:15:32 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:15:49 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: WebRTC API
15:15:49 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/98
15:15:49 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/REC-webrtc-20241008/#proposed-amendments
15:16:22 <Roy_Ruoxi> review history: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebRTC_1.0:_Real-time_Communication_Between_Browsers
15:17:22 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: They added new content, want us to review these changes. So another round of review
15:17:38 <niklasegger> PaulG: Looks really low level
15:18:31 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: They have an a11y section
15:20:54 <niklasegger> janina: I will ask someone from RQTF for their opinion on this
15:21:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: WebCodecs
15:21:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/97
15:21:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/webcodecs/
15:21:31 <Roy_Ruoxi> review history: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebCodecs
15:21:55 <niklasegger> Roy_Ruoxi: I think we don't have to review this document, because it is quite low level
15:22:36 <Roy_Ruoxi> Other comments: As a low-level media encoding and decoding API, applications that use WebCodecs take on responsibility for providing accessibility features. We would welcome your insight into whether this brings about new requirements for platform-level accessibility features.
15:23:52 <niklasegger> janina: It is worth taking this up and talking to TAG about it.
15:25:19 <niklasegger> matatk: Good idea. We have our planeary meeting 7am tomorrow (my time), so I could bring this up, if we have time. Or mention that we would like to talk about this sometime
15:29:10 <matatk> subtopic: Input events
15:29:10 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/95
15:29:10 <matatk> Due: 2024-12-19
15:29:11 <niklasegger> matatk: I want to give an update to some older specs
15:30:59 <niklasegger> Roy asked for more time last week in the github issue, however no answer
15:31:53 <niklasegger> Dr. Keith will pick this up
15:31:58 <matatk> subtopic: Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Rules Format 1.1
15:31:58 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/89
15:31:58 <matatk> Due: 2024-08-14
15:33:04 <niklasegger> matatk: We are not under time pressure on this one, first public working draft, if you get confused by the due date
15:33:43 <matatk> TAG's comment: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/977#issuecomment-2498473019
15:35:31 <JF> Q+
15:36:14 <niklasegger> matatk: This is very meta. There is a project to create a set of test procedures for audits. And this is the latest revision on how to write those test procedures, not the tests themselves
15:39:11 <niklasegger> matatk: Some areas of this spec are no precise enough for the use in automatic testing, but overall there are big possibilities here
15:39:23 <Fazio> q+
15:39:45 <matatk> ack JF
15:40:44 <PaulG> q+
15:40:51 <matatk> ack Fazio
15:43:41 <niklasegger>  matatk: What is the aim with this specific project? Their goal? Good question, we don't know. I think, when it comes to auditing it's about tooling to help the people that do these audits
15:43:44 <matatk> ack PaulG
15:44:07 <JF> +1 to Paul (re: AI)
15:44:33 <niklasegger> PaulG: This is important for the future in the contect of AI, I think.
15:45:03 <niklasegger> s/contect/context
15:45:09 <matatk> q?
15:46:14 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
15:46:14 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Comment review requests](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
15:48:36 <matatk> subtopic: Allow any element to be the child of a custom element (parser weirdness permitting)
15:48:36 <matatk> source: whatwg/html#10722
15:48:36 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/213
15:48:43 <niklasegger> matatk: I added the (spec/ comment) issues we talked about today to the calender weekly invitation. Will do so in the future as well
15:49:18 <matatk> Thanks steveF for commenting: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10722#issuecomment-2447933745
15:49:30 <matatk> subtopic: [css-overflow-5] Focus order of generated controls
15:49:30 <matatk> source: w3c/csswg-drafts#10912
15:49:30 <matatk> tracking: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/216
15:52:17 <niklasegger> PaulG: There are lots of discussion about scroll/ scrollbars and how they could be more accessible
15:52:54 <niklasegger> PaulG: These changes are really good.
15:54:15 <niklasegger> matatk: They specifically asked for help. Four options were proposed in the issue. I'm wondering Paul if you can check these solutions?
15:55:02 <niklasegger> PaulG: I'm not a native keyboard user so I don't want to talk for these people. We need a diverse set of opinions.
15:56:44 <niklasegger> matatk: We need to come back to this next time, but please add comments to our tracking issue i
15:56:45 <matatk> agenda?
15:57:26 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
15:57:26 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:57:31 <niklasegger> zakim, close this item
15:57:31 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:57:32 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:57:32 <Zakim> 7. Actions check-in [from janina]
15:58:01 <niklasegger> matatk: Finished for today, see you next week
15:58:03 <niklasegger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/11-apa-minutes.html niklasegger
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16:00:36 <janina> zakim, bye
16:00:36 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been PaulG, Fazio, niklasegger, matatk, janina, JF, Roy_Ruoxi, NehaJ, steveF, mike_beganyi, Fredrik, Dr_Keith
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16:00:43 <janina> rrsagent, bye
16:00:43 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/12/11-apa-actions.rdf :
16:00:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JF to check if Open Screen can stream audio only - due 2025-01-08 [1]
16:00:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/12/11-apa-irc#T15-13-52