14:47:31 RRSAgent has joined #ixml 14:47:36 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-irc 14:48:09 rrsagent, make records public 14:48:41 Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group 14:48:51 Date: 10 December 2024 14:49:00 Chair: Steven 14:49:10 Scribe: John 14:49:46 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/26-ixml-minutes 14:49:51 nico has joined #ixml 14:55:16 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2024Dec/0003.html 14:55:48 rrsagent, make minutes 14:55:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-minutes.html Steven 14:57:33 norm has joined #ixml 14:58:06 Present: Steven, John, Nico, Bethan, Norm 14:59:00 Topic: Review of open actions 15:00:21 2023-01-10-f: NTW to produce draft documentation of the XML vocabulary, issue #137 15:00:21 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/137 - CONTINUE 15:00:58 2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README) - CONTINUE 15:01:18 2024-10-01-f: SP to make a PR for both versions of the RFC grammar 15:01:19 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/139 - CONTINUE 15:01:36 2024-10-01-e: SP to review ixml tests and correct the grammar - CONTINUE 15:01:48 2024-11-26-01: Steven to review the Balisage paper about pragmas - DONE 15:01:57 2024-11-26-02: Steven to add the new papers as bibliography material. - DONE 15:02:18 2024-11-26-03: Norm to make sure there's a section on the website for a 15:02:19 bibliography of related papers and papers that report using iXML. - DONE 15:02:46 Topic: Status reports 15:03:39 A new C implementation - see https://github.com/libxmq/xmq 15:04:25 Nico has an R grammar pull request 15:04:42 AGreed - it can be merged 15:05:31 Present+ David 15:05:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:05:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-minutes.html norm 15:05:54 Topic: New open issues 15:06:30 #286: Resolve ambiguity in JSON test grammar? - Norm - do we want to fix this? 15:08:39 #283: Version numbering conventions - Bethan's ideas... How do we assign version numbers for what type of changes? 15:09:32 Norm - community consensus suggests moving to 2 if we break something. 15:10:14 Leave in abeyance at the present 15:10:23 Topic: Use pragmas for the prolog? 15:10:46 Nomr - I propose adopting the Balisage proposal 15:10:58 s/Nomr/Norm/ 15:11:30 Steven - I wouldn't go that far.... especially the end of the paper 15:12:25 Steven - use the contents of the pragma to distinguish what the pragma applies to.... 15:15:45 john has joined #ixml 15:16:02 rrsagent, make minutes 15:16:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-minutes.html john 15:17:27 Bethan - should we revisit the purpose of pragmas? 15:18:05 Steven - vehemently opposed to using pragmas to alter the semantics 15:18:35 i.e. removing them would not change the meaning of the output 15:20:56 Bethan - pragmas are a broad sort of thing, but are we looking at just hints for improving performance or choosing between ambiguous alternatives? 15:23:10 Norm: a simple example. A rule S: some stuff. IN this case we could add a pragma for a regular expression to run faster. Is that a justifiable pragma? 15:25:10 Nico: but what if the regular expression is wrong? Or a pragma syntax which converts into regular expressions? 15:27:20 s/IN/In/ 15:28:27 Much discussion about the issues of multiple incohernet definition. 15:29:13 s/incohernet/incoherent/ 15:32:45 Norm - there is an analogy between pragmas and processing instructions in XML 15:36:46 rrsagent, make minutes 15:36:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-minutes.html john 15:39:02 Bethan - there are too many different views about the scope and purpose of pragmas.... needs some examples to start thinking about. 15:39:27 Norm - we could try an email conversation 15:40:12 Steven - conclude this discussion for now 15:40:32 Topic: A subtraction operator 15:40:37 Not discussed 15:40:59 Next Meeting: 7th January 2025 15:41:10 rrsagent, make minutes 15:41:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-minutes.html john 15:41:24 rrsagent, publish minutes 15:41:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-ixml-minutes.html john 15:44:46 David has joined #ixml 17:38:38 norm has joined #ixml 17:44:31 norm has joined #ixml 17:50:16 norm has joined #ixml 17:56:01 norm has joined #ixml 18:01:46 norm has joined #ixml 18:07:33 norm has joined #ixml 18:13:18 norm has joined #ixml