IRC log of ixml on 2024-12-10

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Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
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Date: 10 December 2024
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Chair: Steven
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Scribe: John
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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/26-ixml-minutes
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2024Dec/0003.html
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Present: Steven, John, Nico, Bethan, Norm
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Topic: Review of open actions
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2023-01-10-f: NTW to produce draft documentation of the XML vocabulary, issue #137
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https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/137 - CONTINUE
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2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README) - CONTINUE
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2024-10-01-f: SP to make a PR for both versions of the RFC grammar
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https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/139 - CONTINUE
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2024-10-01-e: SP to review ixml tests and correct the grammar - CONTINUE
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2024-11-26-01: Steven to review the Balisage paper about pragmas - DONE
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2024-11-26-02: Steven to add the new papers as bibliography material. - DONE
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2024-11-26-03: Norm to make sure there's a section on the website for a
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bibliography of related papers and papers that report using iXML. - DONE
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Topic: Status reports
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A new C implementation - see https://github.com/libxmq/xmq
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Nico has an R grammar pull request
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AGreed - it can be merged
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Present+ David
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Topic: New open issues
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#286: Resolve ambiguity in JSON test grammar? - Norm - do we want to fix this?
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#283: Version numbering conventions - Bethan's ideas... How do we assign version numbers for what type of changes?
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Norm - community consensus suggests moving to 2 if we break something.
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Leave in abeyance at the present
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Topic: Use pragmas for the prolog?
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Nomr - I propose adopting the Balisage proposal
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s/Nomr/Norm/
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Steven - I wouldn't go that far.... especially the end of the paper
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Steven - use the contents of the pragma to distinguish what the pragma applies to....
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Bethan - should we revisit the purpose of pragmas?
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Steven - vehemently opposed to using pragmas to alter the semantics
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i.e. removing them would not change the meaning of the output
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Bethan - pragmas are a broad sort of thing, but are we looking at just hints for improving performance or choosing between ambiguous alternatives?
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Norm: a simple example. A rule S: some stuff. IN this case we could add a pragma for a regular expression to run faster. Is that a justifiable pragma?
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Nico: but what if the regular expression is wrong? Or a pragma syntax which converts into regular expressions?
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s/IN/In/
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Much discussion about the issues of multiple incohernet definition.
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s/incohernet/incoherent/
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Norm - there is an analogy between pragmas and processing instructions in XML
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Bethan - there are too many different views about the scope and purpose of pragmas.... needs some examples to start thinking about.
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Norm - we could try an email conversation
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Steven - conclude this discussion for now
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Topic: A subtraction operator
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Not discussed
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Next Meeting: 7th January 2025
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