IRC log of adapt on 2024-12-10

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
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Date: 10 Dec 2024
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Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
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agenda+ Introduction, logistics, updates as needed
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agenda+ Email from COGA
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agenda+ Well Known Destinations
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agenda+ Symbols (Issue 240)
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agenda+ Recruitment
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present+
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present+
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scribe+
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agenda?
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present+
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scribe+
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present+
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html matatk
15:05:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
regrets: Abhinav
15:05:39 [janina]
regrets+ Analu
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Introduction, logistics, updates as needed -- taken up [from janina]
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Lionel_Wolberger: Our next call on the 17th will be the last of 2024
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Lionel_Wolberger: We resume 7 January
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janina: Notes F2F is still on for May 5-6
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matatk: I have room booked; will followup with geo data, e.g. hotels
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matatk: Don't expect a problem
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matatk: Hotels will be cheaper near Samsung, it's near LHR, and accessible to London
15:10:24 [Lionel_Wolberger]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:14:48 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: We intend to use the WBS form, just as we do at TPAC, to check if any potential attendees need particular accommodations
15:14:59 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Email from COGA -- taken up [from janina]
15:16:25 [Lionel_Wolberger]
https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/329
15:16:25 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/329 -> Issue 329 Broken links to w3c/personalization-semantics (by shawnthompson)
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present+
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matatk: Explainers do not go TR
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matatk: Correct approach is to file a github issue
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Lionel_Wolberger: We do want good links from their docs
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matatk: Problem is there isn't a single doc any longer.
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matatk: In some cases we don't yet know what they should link to
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janina: They're also behind on Content Usable v 2
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matatk: Maybe best to wait; for now point to overall Adapt Explainer
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matatk: Will check TR for any errata we need to introduce
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Well Known Destinations -- taken up [from janina]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Symbols (Issue 240) [from janina]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Symbols (Issue 240) -- taken up [from janina]
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Russell: Have been designing fonts ...
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Russell: A few symbols from 3 different AAC
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Russell: Have been working on a written explanation
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Russell: Believe proposers of unicode are seeing AAC as ligatures
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Russell: ligatures different from combining chars
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Russell: each symbol having one or more ligatures
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Russell: unicode has multiple mechanisms for creating ligatures
15:41:50 [matatk]
q+ to ask about pigeon holes
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Russell: e.g. Old English "ash" symbole
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Russell: process: attach to a base symbol and add another symbol
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Russell: 0-width joiners
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Russell: -- outlines the process for display --
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Russell: Would indeed work
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Russell: There are long term issues
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Russell: Notes unicode also has a shaping engine for langs with complex character graphics
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Russell: e.g. Arabic
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q?
15:49:32 [matatk]
ack me
15:49:32 [Zakim]
matatk, you wanted to ask about pigeon holes
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q+
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matatk: expresses appreciation for all Russell's work on this!
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matatk: Seems no code written and no standards updated to render in this way? Yes?
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q+
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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matatk: understand the ligature maps from individual char rendering many to one
15:52:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: Ensuring these concepts get into the minutes, review:
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Russell: It's robust and well tested because of emojis
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Russell: also looked at multiple ruby
15:53:56 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Russell: Zero Width Joiner (ZWJ) sequences can specify different glyphs, or emojis, and the rendering engine will combine them if a combination is known
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... Example 1: Family (Woman, Woman, Girl, Boy)
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Russell: Believe it's OK for ruby
15:54:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... with ZWJ will render as a single emoji, ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘งโ€๐Ÿ‘ฆ
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... (separate symbols): ๐Ÿ‘ฉ, ๐Ÿ‘ฉ, ๐Ÿ‘ง, ๐Ÿ‘ฆ
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... Rendering: ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘งโ€๐Ÿ‘ฆ
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... ligature is another way to join glyphs
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... the shaping engine is the technology that joins them
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q?
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been Russell, Lionel_Wolberger, janina, matatk
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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