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14:51:43 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
14:51:50 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
14:51:56 <janina> Date: 10 Dec 2024
14:52:09 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
14:52:13 <janina> agenda+ Introduction, logistics, updates as needed
14:52:13 <janina> agenda+ Email from COGA
14:52:13 <janina> agenda+ Well Known Destinations
14:52:13 <janina> agenda+ Symbols (Issue 240)
14:52:13 <janina> agenda+ Recruitment
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15:01:09 <Russell> present+
15:01:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:01:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
15:01:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
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15:02:37 <janina>  present+
15:02:44 <janina> scribe+
15:03:45 <matatk> present+
15:04:27 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html matatk
15:05:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> regrets: Abhinav
15:05:39 <janina> regrets+ Analu
15:05:48 <janina> zakim, next item
15:05:48 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introduction, logistics, updates as needed -- taken up [from janina]
15:06:17 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Our next call on the 17th will be the last of 2024
15:06:23 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: We resume 7 January
15:07:26 <janina> janina: Notes F2F is still on for May 5-6
15:07:49 <janina> matatk: I have room booked; will followup with geo data, e.g. hotels
15:08:01 <janina> matatk: Don't expect a problem
15:08:27 <janina> matatk: Hotels will be cheaper near Samsung, it's near LHR, and accessible to London
15:10:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:14:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We intend to use the WBS form, just as we do at TPAC, to check if any potential attendees need particular accommodations
15:14:59 <janina> zakim, next item
15:14:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Email from COGA -- taken up [from janina]
15:16:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/329
15:16:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/329 -> Issue 329 Broken links to w3c/personalization-semantics (by shawnthompson)
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15:23:25 <janina> matatk: Explainers do not go TR
15:23:39 <janina> matatk: Correct approach is to file a github issue
15:23:53 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: We do want good links from their docs
15:24:11 <janina> matatk: Problem is there isn't a single doc any longer.
15:24:25 <janina> matatk: In some cases we don't yet know what they should link to
15:25:35 <janina> janina: They're also behind on Content Usable v 2
15:25:55 <janina> matatk: Maybe best to wait; for now point to overall Adapt Explainer
15:31:46 <janina> matatk: Will check TR for any errata we need to introduce
15:35:06 <janina> zakim, next item
15:35:06 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Well Known Destinations -- taken up [from janina]
15:35:26 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:35:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:35:27 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:35:27 <Zakim> 4. Symbols (Issue 240) [from janina]
15:35:28 <janina> zakim, next item
15:35:28 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Symbols (Issue 240) -- taken up [from janina]
15:36:10 <janina> Russell: Have been designing fonts ...
15:36:24 <janina> Russell: A few symbols from 3 different AAC
15:37:14 <janina> Russell: Have been working on a written explanation
15:37:32 <janina> Russell: Believe proposers of unicode are seeing AAC as ligatures
15:38:48 <janina> Russell: ligatures different from combining chars
15:39:48 <janina> Russell: each symbol having one or more ligatures
15:41:30 <janina> Russell: unicode has multiple mechanisms for creating ligatures
15:41:50 <matatk> q+ to ask about pigeon holes
15:41:52 <janina> Russell: e.g. Old English "ash" symbole
15:42:27 <janina> Russell: process: attach to a base symbol and add another symbol
15:42:41 <janina> Russell: 0-width joiners
15:44:13 <janina> Russell: -- outlines the process for display --
15:45:01 <janina> Russell: Would indeed work
15:45:15 <janina> Russell: There are long term issues
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15:46:57 <janina> Russell: Notes unicode also has a shaping engine for langs with complex character graphics
15:47:04 <janina> Russell: e.g. Arabic
15:49:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:49:32 <matatk> ack me
15:49:32 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to ask about pigeon holes
15:49:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
15:50:07 <janina> matatk: expresses appreciation for all Russell's work on this!
15:50:42 <janina> matatk: Seems no code written and no standards updated to render in this way? Yes?
15:51:05 <janina> q+
15:52:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:52:50 <janina> matatk: understand the ligature maps from individual char rendering many to one
15:52:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Ensuring these concepts get into the minutes, review:
15:53:21 <janina> Russell: It's robust and well tested because of emojis
15:53:29 <janina> Russell: also looked at multiple ruby
15:53:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Zero Width Joiner (ZWJ) sequences can specify different glyphs, or emojis, and the rendering engine will combine them if a combination is known
15:54:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Example 1: Family (Woman, Woman, Girl, Boy)
15:54:24 <janina> Russell: Believe it's OK for ruby
15:54:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... with ZWJ will render as a single emoji,  👩‍👩‍👧‍👦
15:54:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ...  (separate symbols): 👩, 👩, 👧, 👦
15:54:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Rendering: 👩‍👩‍👧‍👦
15:55:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... ligature is another way to join glyphs
15:55:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the shaping engine is the technology that joins them
15:55:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:57:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
15:57:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Russell, Lionel_Wolberger, janina, matatk
15:57:54 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:57:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/10-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
15:58:01 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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