15:00:19 RRSAgent has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:00:23 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-irc 15:00:24 meeting: WoT and NGSI-LD 15:00:29 chair: McCool 15:00:36 present+ Michael_McCool, Kaz_Ashimura 15:00:54 TallTed has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:01:08 present+ Martin_Bauer, Dave_Raggett, Frederic_LE 15:02:18 Martin has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:02:38 present+ Franck_Le_Gall 15:04:21 McCool has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:05:02 present+ Juanjo_Hierro 15:05:21 topic: Logistics 15:05:44 mm: apology regarding the confusion around the Teams meeting for the WoT Week session 15:06:16 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/29-wot-minutes.html WoT Week F2F - Day 2 15:06:42 kaz: the last topic 9 was a quick summary by McCool 15:06:44 jhierro has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:07:11 present+ Ege_Korkan 15:07:12 topic: Self intro 15:07:17 kaz: first meeting for Frederic 15:07:33 fl: working with Martin and Franck 15:07:53 zakim, who is on the call? 15:07:53 Present: Michael_McCool, Kaz_Ashimura, Martin_Bauer, Dave_Raggett, Frederic_LE, Franck_Le_Gall, Juanjo_Hierro, Ege_Korkan 15:09:39 mm: note that we use the W3C Calendar to manage the Zoom calls 15:10:05 -> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b495276e-06fe-4e39-ac13-2743a197c04a/ Calendar 15:10:39 topic: Agenda 15:10:45 mm: (goes through the agenda) 15:10:58 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WoT-NGSI-LD#December_9,_2024 agenda for today 15:11:22 mm: Jan 6 would the first meeting for 2025 15:11:33 ... any topics to be added? 15:11:34 (none) 15:11:37 topic: Minutes 15:11:47 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/11-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html Nov-11 15:12:08 mm: would think about rotating the scribe role :) 15:12:17 ... starting with the meeting in January 15:12:36 ... (adds a list of the scribe to the agenda wiki) 15:12:45 rrsagent, make log public 15:12:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:12:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:13:01 ... (then goes through the minutes) 15:13:06 s/min/previous min/ 15:14:07 ... regarding the minutes themselves, any changes or fixes needed? 15:14:11 (none) 15:14:38 mm: Kaz, you basically distribute the draft minutes beforehand. right? 15:14:48 kaz: yeah, every time (basically) 15:15:02 mm: please review the draft minutes beforehand also 15:15:09 topic: WoT Week minutes 15:15:25 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/29-wot-minutes.html WoT Week F2F meeting - Day 2 15:15:34 mm: (quickly goes through the minutes) 15:15:51 ... (specifically the section 9, ETSI ISG CIM for NGSI-LD) 15:16:17 ... Erich from Microsoft, the F2F host there, presented several tools 15:16:27 ... interesting materials for testing, etc. 15:16:42 ... I think we should look into that 15:16:44 McCool has joined #wot-ngsi-ld 15:16:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:16:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:17:10 ... the other things brought up was NGSI-LD server talking with devices 15:17:27 ... onboarding for devices 15:17:48 ... there are two kinds of usages: north-bound and south-bound 15:18:22 ... another point was discussion about possible binding 15:18:45 ... we have WoT Profile also 15:19:03 ... can think about sub-profile also 15:20:09 ... (shows the OPC UA liaison section also) 15:20:19 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/29-wot-minutes.html#97e7 OPC UA section 15:20:40 mm: have to ask Erich about the detail 15:21:08 ... that's the minutes from the WoT F2F in Munich 15:21:28 jh: need to look into what you mentioned, but not sure about their approach 15:21:37 mm: agree 15:21:46 ... let's raise an issue for further discussion 15:21:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:21:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:22:16 jh: not pretty sure about their approach 15:22:32 ... would hear from Martin, etc. 15:23:14 ... but IWARE handles things based on NGSI-LD 15:23:18 s/IW/FIW/ 15:23:35 ... WoT Thing Model is agnostic with the protocol 15:23:58 ... how things could be considered as instances of the model 15:24:07 ... which could be accessed from NGSI-LD 15:24:21 q+ 15:24:31 ... there could be a Thing Model which can be accessed from NGSI-LD 15:25:15 ... then we can on one side from NGSI-LD by FIWARE/ETSI and WoT side describing the entity classes 15:25:34 ... NGSI-LD can be used to interoperate with the things 15:26:07 mm: there are two things here 15:26:35 jh: the definition of "Things" focused on not necessarily "devices" 15:26:54 ... maybe physical ones or might be virtual ones 15:27:10 mm: that's a fair point 15:27:37 ... we have linked data, and there are different kind of "Things" 15:28:15 ... my personal opinion is that you can do it from the scratch 15:28:31 jh: remember how this discussion started 15:28:43 ... standard API for digital twins 15:28:49 q? 15:28:51 ack m 15:29:01 ... physical or digital devices 15:29:24 ... common understanding with the WoT Thing Model for the ingredients for the entities 15:29:54 ... then NGSI-LD interact with the digital twins 15:30:28 q? 15:30:48 mm: we do have model for Thing Description 15:30:59 ... real question is mapping ontology, etc. 15:31:27 ege: https://youtu.be/dUb_oP2kCBQ?si=o6W7TOnfvyca5hjm 15:31:28 ek: presentation by a company from eclipse ditto 15:31:40 -> https://youtu.be/dUb_oP2kCBQ?si=o6W7TOnfvyca5hjm youtube video 15:31:57 ek: the person was at the Plugfest 15:32:20 s/company/company about a use case/ 15:32:48 ... this is already possible for TD, I think 15:33:12 mm: even though there is no blocker, would see what can be done easier 15:33:17 ... need to dig it up 15:33:29 ... would talk with Erich about the detail a bit more 15:34:01 jh: know the work by Microsoft 15:34:25 s/know/know about/ 15:34:26 q? 15:34:28 q+ 15:34:52 ... there is an initiative about smart datamodel 15:35:13 https://smartdatamodels.org/ 15:35:32 jh: for a given model for digital twins 15:35:54 ... (Juanjo gives some description about the Smart Data Models) 15:36:47 ... don't know which actual model to be picked up... 15:37:14 ... corresponding similar digital twin mechanism 15:38:20 mm: (shows "dataModel.Building") 15:38:38 jh: there is not description language for dataModel.Building. right? 15:39:34 ... if WoT Thing Description could be assigned to that, we might be able to use that 15:39:41 q? 15:40:06 kaz: let's not dive int the detail about that 15:40:22 ... but let's talk about the logistics and planning doc for today 15:40:24 q- 15:40:29 mm: yeah 15:41:04 topic: Logistics 15:41:28 mm: Kaz, you can make the meeting on Jan 6. right? 15:41:30 kaz: yes 15:41:52 mm: so the next meeting after this meeting will be Jan 6 15:42:19 mb: public holiday in Germany 15:42:25 q+ 15:42:59 mm: we can shift the meeting by one week 15:43:12 kaz: note that this is a bi-weekly meeting 15:43:26 mm: may impact the WoT CG meetings then 15:43:32 ek: don't worry 15:43:36 q- 15:44:01 mm: next meeting on Jan 13 and every two weeks after that 15:44:33 mb: might be better to have the meeting every week for a while 15:44:35 mm: ok 15:44:53 ... Jan 13 and then every week until mid-Feb after that 15:45:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:45:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:45:23 topic: Charter 15:45:41 mm: would like to update the Charter (=planning doc) 15:46:04 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1209 PR 1209 - Activate Liaison for ETSI ISG CIM for NGSI-LD 15:46:26 mm: this PR is putting the proposal to the actual area, but it's too early 15:47:05 ... so would close this PR itself without merging 15:47:14 ... and then create a new PR for further updates 15:48:09 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1222 (new PR) PR 1222 - Update ngsi-ld.md 15:48:41 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/bef536cb472af78dd8a34bca5f2bcfb8377b2bbb/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md rendered MD 15:48:51 mm: (goes through the changes) 15:49:15 ... need some more detail here 15:50:03 ... we can mention some more concrete documents like possible bindings 15:50:19 ... or we can define concrete deliverables externally 15:50:37 jh: we didn't have time so far, but would make some requests 15:50:49 mb: not sure about how to work on that 15:51:08 q+ 15:51:13 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1222 15:51:39 - 15:51:49 s/-// 15:51:56 kaz: probably we should use the dedicated wot-ngsi-ld repo for further discussion 15:52:15 ... to let ETSI guys give direct contributions easier 15:52:32 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld wot-ngsi-ld repo 15:53:16 q+ 15:54:09 kaz: can add you all from ETSI to the collaborators for the repo (like we did for the W3C server) 15:54:28 ... sorry but we need to do that for GitHub again since it's a different system from the genuine W3C server 15:54:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:54:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz 15:55:31 mm: (shows how to make contributions to the GitHub resources via Pullrequests (PRs)) 15:56:04 ... you can also create a dedicated branch for your edit 15:56:58 https://github.com/w3c/wot-ngsi-ld/pull/1 15:57:15 q+ 15:57:56 mm: (creates an initial PR as above) 15:58:04 ... (also adds some more topics) 15:58:28 s/topics/topics like the Smart Data Models/ 15:59:50 kaz: please let me know about your GitHub account so that I can add you all to the GitHub collaborator Team for the wot-ngsi-ld repo 16:01:54 ... also for Frederic, please let me know about your email address, and I can help you create a W3C account also 16:02:08 [adjourned] 16:02:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:02:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/09-wot-ngsi-ld-minutes.html kaz