IRC log of forms on 2024-12-06

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Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
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Chair: Steven
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Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Dec/0000
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Topic: ACTION: Steven to add var evaluation to the model
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https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes.html#163e
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https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Variable_Evaluation
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Erik: I thought we had agreed to do textual order evaluation, but I'm not against using dependency order
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... as long as we define 'dependency order' better.
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Steven: Sorry, maybe I mosread last week's minutes
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Erik: For variables outside the model (in the view) ...
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<input ref="$foo"/>
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<var name="foo" value="instance()"/>
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<var name="foo" value="instance()"/>
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<input ref="$foo"/>
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Erik: In our implementation, declaration has to come before use
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Steven: So that affects scopem but not evaluation?
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Erik: s/scopem/scope,/
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Steven: So we have to specify that variables need to be declared before use?
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Erik: I think that is best.
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Steven: Should we forbid two VARs with the same name
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s/name/name?/
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Steven: Do we have scope anywhere else?
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Erik: You can't see vars in the model that are declared in the view
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Steven: True, but the declare before use rule would cover that
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Erik: Possibly
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Steven: Questions: Scope? Declre before use? Duplicate var names?
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s/Declre/Declare/
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Steven: Another question: do we want a central definition of 'dependency order'.
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Erik: I think that it is easier to not require dependency order
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... the view can see vars in the in scope model
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s/in scope/current/
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Erik: And within a scope there cannot be duplictes
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s/duplictes/duplicates/
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Erik: Vars inside actions are not visible outside, but are allowed to have duplicate names
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... XSLT has the same issues
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... they allow a local variable to shadow global
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ACTION: Steven to update Var evaluation accordingly
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Topic: Coming calls
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Steven: Calls on 13, 20th December then 2 weeks off, following call 10 Jan.
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Topic: AOB
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Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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s|Erik: s/scopem/scope,/||
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s/scopem/scope,/
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s/mosread/misread
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