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14:49:03 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
14:49:03 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:49:03 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes
14:49:26 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Dec/0000
14:49:56 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:00:00 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven to add var evaluation to the model
15:00:00 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/11/22-forms-minutes.html#163e
15:00:16 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Variable_Evaluation
15:02:06 <Steven> Erik: I thought we had agreed to do textual order evaluation, but I'm not against using dependency order
15:02:21 <Steven> ... as long as we define 'dependency order' better.
15:02:45 <Steven> Steven: Sorry, maybe I mosread last week's minutes
15:03:06 <Steven> Erik: For variables outside the model (in the view) ...
15:03:45 <ebruchez_> <input ref="$foo"/>
15:03:45 <ebruchez_> <var name="foo" value="instance()"/>
15:04:17 <ebruchez_> <var name="foo" value="instance()"/>
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15:06:25 <Steven> Erik: In our implementation, declaration has to come before use
15:07:13 <Steven> Steven: So that affects scopem but not evaluation?
15:08:09 <Steven> Erik: s/scopem/scope,/
15:08:39 <Steven> Steven: So we have to specify that variables need to be declared before use?
15:08:46 <Steven> Erik: I think that is best.
15:09:54 <Steven> Steven: Should we forbid two VARs with the same name
15:10:04 <Steven> s/name/name?/
15:11:13 <Steven> Steven: Do we have scope anywhere else?
15:12:29 <Steven> Erik: You can't see vars in the model that are declared in the view
15:12:41 <Steven> Steven: True, but the declare before use rule would cover that
15:12:45 <Steven> Erik: Possibly
15:13:46 <Steven> Steven: Questions: Scope? Declre before use? Duplicate var names?
15:14:04 <Steven> s/Declre/Declare/
15:14:32 <Steven> Steven: Another question: do we want a central definition of 'dependency order'.
15:14:50 <Steven> Erik: I think that it is easier to not require dependency order
15:15:27 <Steven> ... the view can see vars in the in scope model
15:15:38 <Steven> s/in scope/current/
15:16:05 <Steven> Erik: And within a scope there cannot be duplictes
15:16:21 <Steven> s/duplictes/duplicates/
15:16:55 <Steven> Erik: Vars inside actions are not visible outside, but are allowed to have duplicate names
15:17:14 <Steven> ... XSLT has the same issues
15:17:33 <Steven> ... they allow a local variable to shadow global
15:18:05 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to update Var evaluation accordingly
15:18:35 <Steven> Topic: Coming calls
15:19:46 <Steven> Steven: Calls on 13, 20th December then 2 weeks off, following call 10 Jan.
15:19:57 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:20:03 <Steven> [None]
15:20:26 <Steven> [[ADJOURN]
15:20:32 <Steven> s/[[/[/
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15:20:52 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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15:21:33 <Steven> s|Erik: s/scopem/scope,/||
15:21:46 <Steven> s/scopem/scope,/
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15:22:12 <Steven> s/mosread/misread
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