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14:12:14 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:12:14 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
14:12:20 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, clear agenda
14:12:20 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:12:28 <ChrisLoiselle> chair: ChrisLoiselle
14:12:46 <ChrisLoiselle> meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:12:54 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, make minutes
14:12:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
14:13:14 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
14:13:14 <Zakim> ok, ChrisLoiselle
14:13:34 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Announcements
14:14:25 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Phase 2 of WCAG2ICT update - work statement
14:14:46 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Explainer for WCAG2ICT - Google Doc
14:15:00 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Level AAA Success Criteria
14:15:05 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
14:20:33 <ChrisLoiselle> regrets, DanielMontalvo, PhilDay
14:20:47 <ChrisLoiselle> regrets: DanielMontalvo, PhilDay
14:29:40 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
14:34:01 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Availability for December 12th meeting?
14:34:04 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
14:51:43 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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14:58:33 <LauraM> present+
14:58:42 <LauraM> Scribe:LauraM
14:59:07 <ChrisLoiselle> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribing_Commands_and_Related_Info
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15:03:17 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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15:03:26 <ChrisLoiselle> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki/Work-for-the-week
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15:04:14 <mikep> present+
15:04:23 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:04:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:05:01 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Regrets from MaryJo and Phil. Announcements?
15:05:11 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:05:11 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, LauraM
15:05:44 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:05:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Phase 2 of WCAG2ICT update - work statement -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:06:53 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: For December 5th, looking at the work statement and pull request 942. Looking at WAI Deploy preview as well. https://deploy-preview-942--wai-website.netlify.app/about/groups/task-forces/wcag2ict/work-statement/
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15:07:46 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Task Force work statement. Phase 1 completed, phase 2 in process.
15:07:58 <LauraM> Scope of work is in line. Timeline is accurate.
15:08:44 <LauraM> Do we want to update the bulleted list?  Phase 2 is listed with AAA prior to the explainer.
15:09:40 <LauraM> GreggVan: Nothing stops us from going back to adjust if we find something in AAA that requires editing work already done.
15:10:36 <LauraM> Entire thing is editorial.
15:10:40 <LauraM> Because it's a note.
15:10:41 <mitch11> q+
15:11:01 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: as far as revisiting things we've already made decisions on, I would like to avoid that.
15:11:47 <LauraM> GreggVan: 301 549 is using this document so it may turn up something we want to look at.
15:12:19 <LauraM> ack Mitch11:
15:12:26 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
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15:13:06 <LauraM> Mitch11: fine with what Gregg said. Process questions about edits that may take place later (substantive) I would be curious what review that would trigger.
15:13:29 <GreggVan> q+
15:13:59 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: using the word "Editorial" should go into the process. Following the process that is already in place.
15:14:01 <LauraM> ack Mitch11
15:14:07 <LauraM> ack Mitch
15:14:26 <LauraM> ack Gregg
15:14:33 <LauraM> ack GreggVan
15:15:03 <LauraM> GreggVan: we need to make sure that we don't box ourselves out because we limited scope.
15:15:31 <LauraM> If we made a mistake, we need to be able to fix it.
15:16:21 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: updating the note is iterative. Before we get to publishing the updated note, we need to make sure we are not contradicting other statements.
15:16:59 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: order of level AAA vs explainer - does it need to change? They are unordered.
15:17:01 <LauraM> q+
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15:17:12 <LauraM> ack lauram
15:17:37 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura: It is a question on who is working on what work.
15:18:07 <bruce_bailey> q+ to note Gregg did a pass on AAA
15:18:26 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: is AAA a subgroup bringing it back?
15:18:40 <LauraM> Do we want to split the meeting?
15:18:55 <LauraM> How is it applicable to the members of the group to move it forward.
15:19:10 <LauraM> Do we need more people in the group to move it forward?
15:19:28 <LauraM> ack bruce_bailey
15:19:28 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to note Gregg did a pass on AAA
15:19:51 <LauraM> GreggVan: It is on the wiki help page.
15:19:59 <LauraM> q+
15:20:26 <LauraM> Bruce_bailey: a few of us could spin off to work on it.
15:20:42 <LauraM> GreggVan: using what I wrote up, we can work from that more quickly.
15:20:54 <bruce_bailey> Yes, I will take a review.
15:21:08 <LauraM> ack LauraM
15:21:38 <bruce_bailey> See list on wiki home page https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/wiki#drafts-for-updated-content
15:21:40 <mikep> Q+
15:21:47 <bruce_bailey> https://ibm.box.com/v/WCAG2ICT-Gregg-LevelAAA-SC
15:21:53 <LauraM> LauraM: Bruce, Gregg, Mike, and I are the only ones that are fairly invested in AAA at this point.
15:22:03 <LauraM> GreggVan: some are looking at it for 301.549
15:22:29 <bruce_bailey> q-
15:22:38 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: For an action item, if we meet on the 12th, in between now and then we can add it to the work for the week (to familiarize ourselves with Gregg's work on this).
15:22:55 <LauraM> ack mikep
15:23:21 <LauraM> MikeP: EN 301 549 has a table listing the AAA requirements, so there is no place to put an interpretation on how it should be applied to software.
15:23:34 <LauraM> We only have the AAA for web. We don't list it for documents and software.
15:23:45 <LauraM> At the moment, there would be no place for that.
15:23:54 <LauraM> Mike will not participate (retiring).
15:25:00 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: If anyone has questions, email the group or raise the issue.
15:25:07 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:25:07 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Explainer for WCAG2ICT - Google Doc -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:25:40 <mikep> Q-
15:25:41 <ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14
15:25:41 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: This is the google doc we are working up.
15:26:30 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Edits updated from the 21st outside of the meeting minutes, I may have missed.
15:26:38 <LauraM> We can walk through from the top down.
15:27:19 <LauraM> In terms of the abstract it's a one liner. Do we need to get more detailed?
15:27:38 <LauraM> q+
15:28:02 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura: We can go back to abstract after the document is completed.
15:28:12 <LauraM> ack LauraM
15:28:15 <loicmn> +1 to go back to abstract after document is completed
15:28:34 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Status of Document is the next section.
15:28:44 <LauraM> Do we need to detail the word "explainer"
15:29:12 <bruce_bailey> +1 for going back to abstract at end
15:29:41 <dmontalvo> q+
15:29:49 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: There is a comment about the legal blurb (this document was produced by. . . .). MaryJo said that it required.
15:30:21 <LauraM> ack dmontalvo
15:30:42 <LauraM> DMontalvo: no the process is not updated. We will probably have to update this process as well.
15:31:39 <LauraM> DMontalvo: will double check.
15:31:50 <dmontalvo> ack me
15:32:02 <bruce_bailey> q+
15:32:11 <LauraM> ack bruce_bailey
15:32:58 <LauraM> Bruce_bailey not sure what additional information the explainer will address
15:33:15 <LauraM> GreggVan: I agree with bruce. This is a note, to me. Having a note on a note doesn't make sense.
15:33:51 <dmontalvo> q+
15:33:53 <LauraM> GreggVan: I don't think we need a note on this note.
15:34:14 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: High level, the explainer is following the WCAG3AG route.
15:34:41 <LauraM> If we need to explain the note with a note, let's update the first note to be more clear rather than add a separate note to explain.
15:36:51 <LauraM> Dmontalvo: With maryjo not being here today, we should probably check with her. But what are the requirements and limitations
15:37:19 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask if we have model other than WCAG3 How To Meet ?
15:37:50 <LauraM> ACTION: Check with MaryJo on the necessity of the Explainer note on a WCAG2ICT Note.
15:38:01 <mitch11> q+
15:38:09 <dmontalvo> ack me
15:38:11 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:38:13 <LauraM> ack Dmontalvo
15:38:16 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:38:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html dmontalvo
15:38:24 <LauraM> ack Bruce_bailey
15:38:24 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to ask if we have model other than WCAG3 How To Meet ?
15:38:36 <LauraM> Bruce_Bailey we don't have another explainer done, correct?
15:39:12 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: WCAG 3.0 is my first knowledge of the explainer being used in context like that.
15:39:16 <LauraM> ack Mitch
15:39:26 <LauraM> ack mitch11
15:39:40 <mitch11> https://tag.w3.org/explainers/
15:39:50 <LauraM> Mitch11: I did a search on explainer. What I found was a WC3 Explainer. The Explainer Explainer.
15:39:56 <LauraM> Keep it informal and just be helfpul.
15:40:08 <LauraM> s/helfpul/helpful
15:40:18 <bruce_bailey> WIP wcag 3 expainer (i.e. How To Meet):  https://w3c.github.io/wcag3/how-to/
15:40:34 <bruce_bailey> +1 for explainer explainer
15:40:36 <LauraM> Mitch11: I think there is value in a start here page.
15:41:07 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: A technical note (the overarching issue) is how to make it non technical.
15:41:16 <mitch11> q+
15:41:17 <LauraM> In the explainer.
15:41:24 <LauraM> Ack Mitch11
15:41:37 <dmontalvo> https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/non-web-ict/ -> Is an Overview of WCAG2ICT on the WAI website, soome of these ideas could go on this page as well
15:41:47 <LauraM> Mitch11: a couple examples were concise, not non-technical. "TLDR"
15:41:50 <dmontalvo> s/soome/some/
15:42:35 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: from a user standpoint, there is the criteria and what it means.
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15:43:04 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: That may be something less formal (or less technical) but more layperson's term.
15:43:53 <bruce_bailey> None of the "Good Examples" seem lay person friendly !
15:43:53 <bruce_bailey> https://tag.w3.org/explainers/#examples-of-good-explainers
15:44:40 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:44:40 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LauraM
15:44:49 <ChrisLoiselle> ack LauraM
15:44:50 <bruce_bailey> q?
15:44:56 <LauraM> ack Mitch11
15:45:01 <ChrisLoiselle> q?
15:45:02 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:45:02 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LauraM
15:45:14 <LauraM> ack mitch11
15:45:21 <LauraM> ack mitch
15:45:27 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:45:27 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Level AAA Success Criteria -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:45:35 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:45:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, LauraM
15:45:45 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:45:46 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, LauraM
15:45:53 <LauraM> q+
15:45:55 <LauraM> ack LauraM
15:45:56 <mitch11> ack me
15:46:01 <LauraM> Zakim, next item
15:46:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, LauraM
15:46:26 <LauraM> zakim, close this item
15:46:28 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:46:28 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:46:28 <Zakim> 5. Availability for December 12th meeting? [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:46:36 <LauraM> Zakim, take up next
15:46:36 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Availability for December 12th meeting? -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
15:46:59 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:47:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html dmontalvo
15:47:06 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Who is available for December 12.
15:47:13 <LauraM> GreggVan: I may be out on jury duty
15:47:19 <LauraM> LauraM: is here.
15:47:21 <Sam> I am here next week
15:47:23 <bruce_bailey> i am available
15:47:31 <ShawnT> I'm available
15:47:32 <loicmn> I am also available
15:47:32 <LauraM> dmontalvo: I am here.
15:47:49 <mikep> I am here
15:47:53 <LauraM> We have a  quorum to meet next week.
15:48:21 <LauraM> The chairs are looking to have a topic to discuss our work statement. Can we report on that Tuesday?
15:48:40 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Maryjo and I will attend and provide the update.
15:48:50 <LauraM> Any objections?
15:48:55 <LauraM> +1 to discussing the statement
15:49:08 <LauraM> +1
15:49:20 <dmontalvo> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/calendar/ -> AG Calendar
15:49:21 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: we will bring that forward to the AG call next week.
15:49:42 <LauraM> ChrisLoiselle: Any other open items we want to discuss?
15:49:51 <LauraM> No questions.
15:49:57 <Sam> Thank you
15:50:03 <LauraM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:50:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html LauraM
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15:50:50 <ChrisLoiselle> +1 to Laura!!!
15:50:58 <LauraM> Zakim, end meeting
15:50:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been LauraM, loicmn, ShawnT, mikep, mitch, Daniel, bruce_bailey, Sam
15:50:58 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:50:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
15:51:05 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, LauraM; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:51:13 <ChrisLoiselle> Laura, did you want to send minutes or do you want me to?
15:51:16 <ChrisLoiselle> Happy to do so.